Dave you know very well this was isolated and unfortunately yours were shipped early because you are local, to you with some parts missing. Since then we have not had any issues. We did take care of the handful of customers who you sold a Leader to with the correct parts in the seat clamp and they are quite pleased. We have sold many of these frames with no issues at all. Lets not make this personal.

You're right, Sal. I shouldn't be honest with people about the FACT that every single 725 and 735 frame we sold ended up failing at the seatpost clamp. Instead, I should just powder their asses and tell them what they want to hear.

Unlike me, you're publicly lying to people (which doesn't seem like a very smart business move). As has been posted right here in this thread and in the Leader thread, a customer of yours from Boston was recently given a 721 to replace his cracked 725. I'm sure there have been many more instances.

The fact that the structural integrity of those frames relies on a 2mm nylon washer to keep them from self-destructing should definitely not be overlooked.

Now get the **** out of my thread.

Fact you stopped selling Leader 725 and 735 the moment you had the issues. Understandable. To this day you have not sold or wanted to sell the frames with the correct parts on the frame. So you have no experience commenting on the the current frames. We want to thank you for your continued support. You are an amazing bike shop and mechanic.

Okay you two please take it over to the feedback forum. Better yet, please put each other on ignore.

Thank you

Been a while since I've peeped here.

So now Leaders are terrible and Aventon's are cool?! Topsy-Turvy, yo!
Muy Game of Throny.

I've yet to see a broken Aventon frame and their owner doesn't openly bull**** people on the internet.

But dude, Leader has the MUNITIO collab.

+1 Scrod

The love affair is over, apparently. I remember so much hate on Leader on these forums, and eventually they "grew" in quality. I suppose Aventon has reached that level of quality now.

Wonder how long before Micargi or Pure Fix attain Critastic levels of Fixie Foo.

Lol that was awesome.

So I was going to PM this to you scrod, but apparently I don't have enough posts so I'll leave it here.

hey scrod i had a quick question and needed help from someones opinion on who i trusted with this, since I'm new and still learning


I'm riding a 58/59cm state bicycle (don't know which and can't find an email with the order information), and was looking to upgrade to a leader frame since I've been riding for around a year now and wanted something nicer now that i know i like riding bikes.


i found a nice leader frame on eBay, brand new 735 with fuji carbon fork for 350. He had it listed as a 56cm, which seemed like the perfect size. Because my current bike seems like a tad too big. I wanted something a little smaller, compact, and responsive (I'm 6'0). But I can't seem to find any information that says Leader produced a 56cm 735 frame. Just 55 and 58. So I think the add might be wrong, and I fear 55cm is too small.


So my questions are:


1) Did leader produce a 56cm 735 in 2014?


2) As someone who is 6'0 and coming from a 58/59cm frame, do you think 55cm is too small? I know a lot of it is personal preference - but have you seen 6'0 people ride a 55 and be content? How about 56?


3) If the leader frame isn't 56, and I have to look to another option, what would you suggest? In one of my posts you said the Aventon Mataro has gotten a lot better in the last few years. City grounds has a Mataro with light carbon fork complete bike for 499. I'm not opposed to the price, but I want to know quality wise what I can expect. It's around the same price as my state bicycle, so I'm worried it won't be a big upgrade. The whole reason I'm buying a new bike is because I want something nicer, and I'm worried the matter won't be enough of an upgrade. My other option would be a 725 complete for 699.


Any advice would be much appreciated. I'm still a newb to all of this, and trying to make sure my purchase is a wise one, with a good bike, that will last for a while. I do like the look of the frames with the larger aerotube (i think thats the word I'm looking for).


Thanks for your help.

What is a fixie foo and why would I want to kill them?

That notch should angle up and away from the weld. But you could probably get rid of the whole second clamping screw, unnecessary.

I assume you'd have to have a ton of seat post, so that it could extend down into that seat tube a few inches past those bolts. I wonder if the failures, were people using short posts, extended too far.

Nope. It's just a crappy design.

Literally every single one we sold broke like the one pictured.

It's a crappy design because it can fail if installed incorrectly?

Where are you getting that from what I've said in this thread?

Man, that is insane.

What's even more insane is that one pictured has less than 20 miles on it! :eek:

I'd be super pissed. Funny how that guy had to come in here and boss people about ****, instead of just admitting the design sucked. Admitting it would have given mega nice guy/integrity points.

Seems like those "notches" are just cut too deep and too many.

And here about a year back I almost bought a Leader frame....

I think this has been the only frame with this kind of issue as far as i know.

I've got two of them, a 721 and a Cretin, and they're fine. It's just the 2015 725 and 735 that are the problem. Anyways, the point that Scrod is making is that it's the Leader owner's attitude that's the problem here, not the design flaw. Apparently, there is a 2mm nylon washer fix that Leader claims is effective, but Scrod thinks is bs that is the problem. In any case, I can completely understand why Scrod won't sell them anymore, even with a supposed fix.