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Old 05-23-10, 11:10 AM
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Help me cull the herd...

So I've got a touring bike problem... I've got too many bikes and need to make some tough choices...problem is all the bikes in question are really nice and I love them for a number of reasons. I need to get rid of one for sure this year and I really should get ride of one next year.

My touring plans/goals have changed over the years this fleet has built up. I had intended to quit my job and go on some epic multi-year tour, but that interest has morphed into doing shorter less extreme tours so I can fit in other interests into my life. A more realistic touring goal would be a 1-2 week tour each year + several weekend tours. I also use my bikes for utility/cargo cycling daily.

If you feel like weighing in I'd be interested to hear which ones you'd keep and which you'd get rid of:



Surly LHT:

- my oldest bike and one that I've had a lot of fun on. Nothing special about the build, but it's simple and functional.
- for sentimental reasons I'm most attached to this bike even though I have other touring bikes that have some better parts or are more burly.



Bike Friday New World Tourist

- this folding travel bike has seen a lot of around town action as light errand bike/commuter
- it's setup with a dynohub and light for night riding
- really fun to ride
- easy to store
- probably the bike I'd grab first for a weekend tour and definitely the bike I'd grab for a tour that involved flying



Thorn Nomad

- my most heavy duty touring bike
- very cool design and implementation
- S&S couplers to make travel easier
- heavy duty rack for expedition loads on gnarly roads
- Rohloff specific for minimal maintenance
- The ideal bike for my original multi-year mega tour plans



Surly Big Dummy

- although this is really a cargo bike I've toured on it a few times when big playloads were required and it did just fine
- not travel/flight friendly due to size, but fine for tours I can drive to
- useful for my day to day cargo hauling needs
- If I really wanted to S&S couplers can be added to make flying easier however cost would be significant



Surly Pugsley

- this 4" wide tire monster has turned out to be a really great dirt road/offroad touring machine
- when it's not touring it's fun as a beach or snow bike
- I've also used it as a rigid mountain bike when riding with folks who are a lot slower than me on trails to equalize things.
- surprisingly this is one of the bikes I rode the most in 2009

My feeling is that I should get rid of the Thorn Nomad S&S simply because it no longer really fits my needs given that my touring goals are much more modest than they were a few years ago. As much as I hate to do it I am thinking my LHT would be the #2 bike to go simply because I have other bikes that can do what the LHT does, but the LHT can't do what the other bikes do. If I want to keep my LHT for sentimental reasons I suppose the next choice would be my Bike Friday NWT...I'm not attached to my NWT the same way I am to my LHT, but the NWT folds and stores really easy which is a big plus.

Which two would you get rid of?
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Old 05-23-10, 11:23 AM
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Another way to look at it is which of these is the easiest to replace. In that case, I'd get rid of the Surly LHT. You can pick one up lots of places in standard configuration any time you want (within reason). The others appear to have taken a bit of time in planning, preparation or lead time to get.
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if you're downsizing I"m guessing it's partially for money reasons as well as freeing up square footage in the domicile. I'd eliminate the Pugsly, NWT, and Nomad. The LHT is the only bike you can turn into a fast riding road bike with light wheels, can be "urbanized" for low theft potential and the rest have a big chunk of money in them.
It sounds like the LHT, Pugsley and Big Dummy are favorites.
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Sounds like your key criterion is forgetting about the epic 2 year tours... so sell the epic touring bicycle - which seems to be the thorn nomad.

I would also sell the folder if you don't take public transit or have a shortage of storage space.

Lastly I would sell the big dummy and replace it with a trailer that can mount on the LHT.
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Old 05-23-10, 01:20 PM
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Of those.. the only one "I would want" would be the Thorn converted to drop bars... The rest.... Meh
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Obviously the Nomad does not correspond to your needs anymore.
I had a LHT complete that I had no qualms selling: a good bike but the complete is in no way exceptional.
My new LHT built is anything but ordinary. It does most of everything that I need it to do, with the addition a flatbed trailer sometimes, and I am even thinking of using it through the Canadian winter, with some adaptations and although I already have a good enough winter bike.

Then again, you are not after a do-it-all bicycle, are you? You're only making room for some other beast, aren't you?

A foldable makes sense if one is also traveling by bus, train or airplane, stays at the hotel and rides around lightly.
It seem obvious that you should keep the Pugsley if that is the bike that you are riding the most.
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Keep the NWT and the Pugsley. The Nomad and the LHT are similar and neither could really double up for the Pug or the NWT. FWIW I got my first ride on a Pug today...now I AM in trouble!

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keep them all. that is a pimp stable you got
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ok vik i'll give this a bash .i would( if of course i got the money that there worth) sell the lot and with the expert knowledge you have i would
design my own dream bike, material would be most definitely titanium because it will never rust strong and most important lightweight.
besides look at all the room you would save in your apartment .
i would like to know what you think about this idea i have been a bit of a fan of yours since i took up touring.
whatever you decide i hope it's the right choice .
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Originally Posted by jabantik00
keep them all. that is a pimp stable you got
isn't it?
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Keep them all. You know that you won't stop riding them. It's not like you have a fleet of gas guzzlers there. They cost you nothing to keep and are a pleasure to ride.
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Everybody should have a folder for a spare and for going to appts. downtown, travel etc. so keep BF. I like to drive to small towns and jump on my Brompton and take a look around. I find alot of unique little shops and museums with heritage type stuff that way. Although i love my LHT and wouldnt want to part with it, you have a awesome Rohloff equipped Thorn Nomad there. Id keep it as its not as easily replaced as the others could be.
Thats my two picks,for what its worth.
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you know what he's missing? a titanium Rock n Road or Specialized Tri-cross. I think you need another bike
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That's a tough call. Looking at what you say, I'd suggest keeping the Trucker, the New World Tourist, and the Pugsley. Those are the bikes that you say you have fun riding or that you rode a lot. The Thorn is cool but you don't say whether you enjoy riding it, so I'd suggest selling it first. If you find that the Big Dummy is useful enough that you can't get rid of that, then maybe get rid of the Trucker second, if it's absolutely necessary. It won't be hard to replace, though I can understand the sentimental attachment; my 1997 Trek MultiTrack 730 hybrid is still in my basement, though I haven't ridden it since I got my LHT and my Breezer Uptown8, each of which does a better job than the 730 for its intended purpose.

I know that you have the Tikit for errands, and a full suspension MTB--what else is in the herd?
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I'd only keep the Big Dummy, the LHT, and the Bike Friday. The Big Dummy just because it's a badass cool bike, the LHT for weekenders, the Bike Friday for long weekenders in Montreal.

You should get rid of the rest, and definitely the Pugsley. That'a a nice bike, but there is a lot of good fatbike technology coming up right now.
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^ I agree. Keep LHT/Dummy/Friday. You could cover so many bases with those three bikes.
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Your problem isn`t too many bikes, it`s too small a garage.

I think Benge is right that the LHT would be the most easilly replaced if you couldn`t live with yourself after abandoning a child. If it`s a case of needing funds for something, maybe list them all for exorbitant prices and see if you get a bite on anything? A lot of people might want some of the unusual builds you`ve put together and be willing to pay out the nose rather than figure out all the bits and pieces and compatibilities themselves.
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My honest to goodness answer is not a single one. You've got a great collection of bikes, why are you getting rid of two of them?
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I sure hope you're not thinking of getting rid of NWT, after you've inspired me to get one!!!

I think you should keep the LHT, NWT and the Big Dummy. Although I know you also have the Tikit, so not sure if you really need the NWT... Hmmmm...
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You get rid of the bikes you are not riding. Trust me, the bikes are losing value sitting doing nothing. The Nomad and the Trucker are redundant. The folder is nice but if haven't made an airline trip or don't intend to buy the travling case, then that bike should be the next to go.
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Keep the Friday, Big Dummy.

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If you have two Bike Friday's, then I would get rid of one. And the other bike I would get rid of is the LHT.

Of course this is comming from the guy with, umm, 24 bikes. And not a dedicated touring bike. yet.
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Thanks for all the feed back...rather than reply to each person here are some thoughts in response to what I've read so far:

- I do enjoy riding the Thorn, but I never have a reason to ride it rather than one of the lighter duty touring bikes...although I probably don't want to admit this I think there is a negative emotional component related to the fact riding it reminds me I am not off on a mega tour in south america.

- I probably should let go of my sentimental attachment to the LHT...although I have had some fun tours on this specific one you guys are correct that it's a bike you can pick up pretty much any time.

- In reply to the thought that I should keep 'em all....I am actually FINALLY!...moving from a downtown apartment to a house with a garage...so that is not out of the question, but I feel like I'm at the point where if I want a new bike I should get rid of an old one...it helps with the cost and it keeps my fleet at a large, but reasonable size...and the reality is I will probably always get 1 new bike each year since the designing a build, building a bike, riding it, photographing it and blogging about it is a part of what I enjoy doing.

- I do have too many touring bikes with racks that could easily do the same general duties. Although they are different, in general, my Thorn, LHT and NWT can all take 4 panniers and haul a reasonable amount of cargo.

- one issue I am starting to have is that I am collecting some really cool, but odd ball bikes...like the Pugsley, Big Dummy, a fixed gear Surly 1x1, folding commuter Bike Friday Tikit, Bike Friday NWT...etc... I have a hard time getting rid of them because they do something unique....I guess what I have to ask myself is do I really need that unique functionality?

Thanks for all the feed back...it's helpful to see where other folks are coming from so I can challenge my own ideas...
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Just another case of what you own ending up owning you!

Truly tragic! Though I think getting rid of the specialized bicycles first is prudent.

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I stand by my recommendation. If any type of racing is out of the question, the Dummy and Friday is all you really need.

But then, who said its about "need"?
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