redlude97

This.

Hello07

So, basically intermittent fasting is keeping yourself away from eating at least 10 hours a day and you also have to maintain a calorie deficit diet in your eating time. It is allowed to drink water and non calories drink like oolong and green tea, black coffee and also vegetable juice in fasting time.

FrenchFit 

Well, if you talking about an every day plan I think most practice IF'ing going a minimum 16 hours a day without eating food, or the 10 hours a day you mention not counting sleep time.

KraneXL

In the most basic since, yes. However, as stated above, the minimum fasting duration is typically 16 hours/day.

Remember, IF is not a diet but a protocol that limits the number of hours you get to eat. For many, that alone can provide a significant aid in achieving your dieting goals.

Where IF is unique is in you lifestyle where ordinary diets end. IF goes a step further by placing your body in a higher state of metabolic efficiency. Simply stated, it provides many other valuable health benefits far beyond just your diet. This is what makes it so popular.

OBoile

I don't know how many times we need to say this, but here it goes again: the current evidence does not appear to support your statement.

KraneXL

Like the type of evidence that used to claim and support such beliefs as reefer madness, cigarette smoking being harmless or roid rage? The problem with these claims is that of their limited scope, or legal/political restrictions. Only recently could doctor even hope to begin testing the true effectiveness of marijuana -- and its still limited in the U.S. Can you guess why?

The many benefits cannabis has been known by its user for decades, bou have to keep in mind that these clinical trials are often biased, or restricted by law, and that someone has to support the research. In that case, there has to be some benefit to those that finance the research. Who would benefit from research on non-consumption?

Consider that there are no trials testing the limits of performance enhancing drugs because there is no legal market for it. All we get from the medical community is the negative propaganda they are programmed with and forced to recite on cue. However, that doesn't mean these products don't work. We can see the results.

Fasting has been around for centuries. Even a naysayer like yourself has to admit that it must have some merit. Otherwise, people wouldn't still be doing it today. In an environment fill with an abundance of easily attainable food, why would anyone deprive themselves for no good reason?

I suggest you try the protocol. Then like millions of others, you won't need any trails or additional evidence or trials to tell you that IF works.

OBoile

I guess I have my answer... still have to say it a few more times at least.

redlude97

I gave up trying to reason. Hopefully people with some common sense can glean the useful information from the hyperbole/anecdote

KraneXL

It isn't about reasoning, it about preference. Running for example is a great aerobic activity but its not for everyone even though you could argue it burns more calories per unit time than cycling.

Just because someone chooses one aerobic activity over another doesn't make them wrong even if one has additional advantages the other does not.

On the other hand, cycling is a lower impact activity. So each has advantages (and disadvantages) the other does not. Its up to the individual to decide what works best for them and what they prefer.

Your argument is the equivalent to a 400 pound person touting all the potential hazards and negatives of running to someone that has the ability to run very effectively. Its obvious why this individual would be against running.

redlude97

no, it would be like someone saying running cures diabetes and giving one anecdote, and the rest of us saying no it doesn't but there are still lots of good things running can do for you, but not the only exercise that can get you the same results.

OBoile

Exactly. I literally said in an earlier post: And redlude97 agreed with that statement. No one is taking an issue with someone choosing IF as a means of controlling calories if that is the way they find works best for them. We're taking issue with the idea that there is any significant evidence that it is, in some way, inherently superior to other methods.

Carbonfiberboy 

Wandering around the internet causes me to wonder if perhaps a good bit of the IF controversy is because some of the study results include pretty overt cheating on the part of the subjects. I.e., reported calories in/calories out/weight change don't make sense. So far, I haven't found a 24/7 monitored study.

KraneXL

Since there's no one here opposing that, I'm pretty sure that's not your issue. See below. Did you know there are no U.S. medically approved studies that show marijuana works? Nevertheless, the people that use it and have been using it for years already know the answer that question. Similar with the aforementioned performance enhancing drugs. Where's that documentation? Still, you'd have to be deaf, dumb, and blind to deny their effectiveness.

The scientific method is great, nobody's disputing that, but when it comes to health and fitness not everything supported by a trial is foolproof. Despite millions of dollars spent and decades of analysis and testing results there are still people that are resistant to certain FDA approved drugs, and sometimes the cure can be worse than the disease.

In the end, people believe what they want to hear, and will always find a way to ignore, deny or go against what they don't like and choose not to accept.

redlude97

So IF is now a cult, got it

OBoile

LOL! Nice.

KraneXL

Fasting Research

Wins Nobel Prize in Medicine

Is it Right for You?

The 2016 Nobel Prize for Physiology or Medicine was awarded to Japan’s Dr. Yoshinori Ohsumi for his discoveries of the underlying mechanisms of a physiological process called autophagy. Autophagy is a natural process by which the body degrades and recycles damaged cells, proteins and toxins.

KraneXL

Quote:

Going for my 30 hour total cleansing and detox fast

Success! Thirty hour fast completed with none the worse for wear. I didn't pass out for lack of food or anything like that. However I must report a moment of light-headedness right after drinking my first cup of water. Also a slight change in mood but out of the ordinary or anything I couldn't handle. Still didn't experience any zen moments, so I guess I still have something to look for when next I attempt the 36. Or maybe I just need to concentrate more?

I really think I fast better when I'm out and busy rather than doing this at home on the weekends. Of course, the temptation now is to binge and eat until the cow come home. But after breaking my fast with a protein shake, I don't feel any hungrier than any other day.

If anyone's still of the fence about IF, don't be. Try it. I hope this helps.

KraneXL

More health benefits of fasting -- 24 hours and beyond.

Cell autophagy (recycling): using old cells to build new cells.
Reset your immune system -- increase stem cell production.
Digestion: give your digestive system a chance to heal.

Why Long Term Fasting is AMAZING: 1-2 Day Fasts- Thomas DeLauer

wolfchild

Did you ride your bike ??....Did you do any intense gym session with weights ??...Did you do anything which involves high intensity ??...Did you do any physical labour for hours and hours ...Did you do all those things while doing a 30 hour fast at the same time ??

KraneXL

I was debating whether or not I needed to include those details so I'm so glad you asked. First, I never do fasted cardio. And second, I avoid all physical labor, high stress, and high intensity activities, during my fast.

Part of the structure of fasting is determining when and were you can apply it to get the maximum benefits. That means you know you won't be involved in any intense physical activity. Instead, I set aside a day and time that I can control, and when demand for my attention is low. Part of how fasting works is to apply it in a relaxed, stress free environment.

Today, I returned to my normal IF protocol (I did 22 unintentionally) and did my regular resistance training workout with no reduction in progress. This 30 hour total cleansing fast is new to me so whether it actually lives up to its claims in my case, has yet to be determined.

Still, its something I believe everyone should try if for no other reason than to give you digestive system a much needed break. If I do this again next month, I will drink more all bottled water (I did half and half this time), and include some electrolytes.

OBoile

How gullible do you have to be to believe this?

KraneXL

Do you have anything useful to add or are you just going to continue to troll?

In the meant time, I'm subjecting myself through all the trials and tribulation and sharing what I feel works. So far, I have not been disappointed. I've gone from a pot belly to a flat waist and I continue to lose fat using these techniques. I get compliments regularly from complete strangers on my leanness so I'm must be doing something right.

Of course its not for everyone, if its not your cup of tea choose something else. But don't discourage others because you can't do it. It is a proven efficient dieting method with benefits well beyond just fat loss.

It works for me and a lot of others. If it didn't don't you think someone would have figured that out after thousands of years? Contrary to what you might think, fasting is something anyone can do.

OBoile

Pointing out your BS pseudoscience statements isn't trolling.

hubcyclist

I have to chime in with the pseudoscience. Aside from the fact that the video screenshot screams clickbait, "bro-science," I think you and others are probably misinterpreting what IF does as far as autophagy, as far as I can see, this has really only been observed in yeast (which is what the scientist who won the Nobel Prize conducted his research on) and human observations are limited. From the Nobel press release:

"After the identification of the machinery for autophagy in yeast, a key question remained. Was there a corresponding mechanism to control this process in other organisms? Soon it became clear that virtually identical mechanisms operate in our own cells. The research tools required to investigate the importance of autophagy in humans were now available."

What you linked to was clearly a site intended to interpret the results to suit the agenda of IF, but the reality is nothing like this has been observed in people, so the claims being made about IF and autophagy seem, from my brief look, theoretical at best.

If IF works for you, great, I don't think anyone is bothered by it, but I think what is bothering people about this and other diets is the evangelism, especially when people back it up with crap science and misinterpretations of actual science.

redlude97

We've already tried to explain this to him, it's a lost cause