ISO a Suntour Cyclone front hub, 36 hole, that uses cartridge bearings.

There is, apparently, no good way to measure these damn things. And, for the record, I'm not a clips kinda guy, although a couple of my favorite riders have them. I will say Zefal still carries them and lists a S/M clip and a L/XL clip.

That said, My TdF also has its original Christophe Special clips with no size marking. They are the same size as my "L" stamped ones. Those are the only Special branded ones I have, and I suspect the newer (stamped L) ones are newer, and the stamp wasn't used on older models.

For the sake of comparison, let's agree on something - let's call the part from the strap pass-thru downwards the "Wishbone" for reference, we can all picture why I would call it that, right?

I have several other pairs of Christophe clips attached to various stuff around the shop and see three or four different styles of naming styles used. There are ones using the "Special" convention, another using the stretched "CHRISTOPHE" below the strap pass-thru, and one with branding on each arm of the wishbone. There are probably one or two other iterations.

I took photos of the Specials next to a pair without the "Special" branding. Clearly they're smaller. They also lack any size stamping.

I can't find a good way to measure these. The one major difference I see in measuring where the "U" of the wishbone starts. It seems like the farther out the "U" starts, the larger the toe clip is. So I measured from the base of the clip to the start of the "U". There's a difference of at least 1/4" between the Specials I have and any other, smaller clip.

Here are pics I took, if it helps: Christophe straps - Album on Imgur

I cannot realistically confirm or deny that all "Special" toe clips were large. That may be a question for someone at Zefal or someone more experienced or intimate with toe clips. I just know if my foot fits comfortably in them and they're on pedals I like, I usually keep them. I won't use quill pedals without them, and I usually can't stand them on platform pedals (although they'er nice on 460s).

Check this out [MENTION=155980]Relaxin[/MENTION]: http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...-wheelset.html

Measuring my unmarked Christophe Special clips the same way you did in the Imgur link (using the same 20' Stanley tape measure, in fact) I came up with a flange-to-wishbone dimension of 2 3/16. If I'm doing the math right, the set in the photo is 5/16 smaller than my already-too-small set.


I'm not clear on which set you measured for the photo, though. Was it the unstamped Christophe Special clip, the one stamped with an "L," or some other clip entirely?

I measured both. The larger of the two was the "Special" one. I can't think of a better way to measure. Maybe get a flexible tape (for measuring waists) and measure from mount plate up?

I measured off-center, and angle may be weird. It's very possible ours are the same size, and my measure was off by a 16th or angle shows it funny.

If it helps, I took the un-size stamped Specials off my TdF and compared to the L-stamped pair... identical. But both are Special.

My head hurts.

You and me, brother.

So, I just went back into the shop. I measured both "Special" branded clips (special on its own line), that's both the one with the "L" and one w/o. From the mount plate to the split-out for the toe, it's 2-3/16 on both.

This was the Special-branded: http://i.imgur.com/pY8vcoC.jpg
This was the non-Special branded: http://i.imgur.com/KEbwreE.jpg

Out of several different models of Christophe clips, I have three "Special" clips, and they're all the same size - one has the words on one line, two have it split onto 2 lines

• This is type 1
• This is type 2

On Velobase, someone commented: The stylized, wrapped 'C' Special logo (1970's and earlier) indicates these as being size Long/Large. The later version (Long/Large) is indicated with two lines of text.

There was also this thread.

The clips I have in my shop seems to confirm what is stated there, but I only have ~10 pairs of Christophe clips to compare.

ISO: Stainless front rack with platform. The type that attach to fork eyelets. Something like the VO Constructeur or Soma Champs Elysees.

HAVE: A lot at the moment. If interested in rack-for-rack type trade, I have a used Jandd Extreme from rack for touring. A variety of Blackburn racks. Other good stuff as well. (Brooks, components, etc...)

If you have a spare stainless steel front rack and you are looking for something in particular, let me know. I might have it. thanks!


EDIT: Got the rack. thanks!

+1 on the inventiveness and nice work!

I have a black pair, Gran Compe or something like that. I won't be able to lay my hands on them until October 1. If interested, send me an email at the address below.

Here they were on my bike.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jr...w1812-h1352-no

ISO: Anyone got one extra Campagnolo 9-speed chain link to spare? I'm a bit short on my newly built Merlin Ti and would rather not mix & match chain links.

http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/a...psak2wmgiz.jpg

Do you need master links or extra links?

PM sent, yours as part of our past dealings....

Jon, did you find your clips or did you already have a pair of the size you need?

I'm still confused as to the sizing of these clips [MENTION=413240]francophile[/MENTION]. It sounds like "Special" branded clips are larger but maybe with exceptions? Im not sure I want to open this can again. ;)

I'm confused, too, but I think I have a [slightly kludgy] solution: I'm going to shim out the Specials I have with some 3/4" aluminum bar stock--something I've done with other clips in the past. Even if I could find the largest size Christophes (Extra Special or some such?) I think they'd still be too small.


I've never tried the largest size of currently available Zefal clips, so not sure how big they are.

Looks like I'm sorted, Tom. Thanks for the offer!

GC would have been a good match for the brakes (RGC calipers), though maybe not the black.

Replied. Much appreciated, Robbie!

ISO: Shimano 600 tricolor brifters. Please PM if you have any you'd part with.

Anyone have a pair of 26" wheels (559 mm, the MTB size) or rims? Looking for something pretty wide. 8 speed free hub would be nice (if it's not, I will convert) Dynamo would be ideal (if it's not, I can rebuild the wheel).

In trade I could offer a pair of blue Velocity Aerohead rims in 700c. But if that's not what you're looking for, I have all manner of other cool stuff to trade, including Stronglight 49D cranks, Sugino Mighty Tour cranks, cool brakes, a 3ttt seatpost (27.2), leather saddles... and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Get off my iceberg! :troll::troll::troll:

Oh, lighten up, it's just the tip. And anyway, I'm not sure it's your iceberg.

"just the tip".

*giggle*

Hey Robbie, I just noticed your reply. As I understand it, 9-speed Campagnolo chains were their last version without any master links (all links have an extractible pin). To be honest, I don't use master links on any of my bikes and am not sure if a master link would be compatible with a C9 chain. So, I'm hoping someone has an extra C9 link. Thanks.

Yes, I have wheels you can have.

I've been using quick links on my 9speed Campy chains with no issues.