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Old 02-02-15, 05:04 PM
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The part where he's not willing to part with this mutilated wreck for "a couple hundred dollars" amused me.

[h=2]Co-Motion Co-Pilot take-apart bike, frame damage (S Minneapolis, MN)[/h]Co-Motion Co-Pilot take-apart bike, frame damage



This was a $2-$3000 bike before it was run over. The carbon fork was cracked, one side of the bars were bent, one rim was totaled and the other has a very small bend. The real problem: a fold in the steel top tube, which I cut out (about 2 inches). It's way to nice to throw out, especially with the S&S couplers. I was planning to weld a patch in, though I just discovered that entire tubes can be replaced. If it were my size I would without a doubt get it repaired by a pro, but since I'm 6'5" and it was from a 5'10" rider it's just another project I'm not getting to. I'm open to selling the frame or the whole thing including wheel hubs and Ultegra components. Serious parties only, please. I'm not giving away those components for a couple hundred dollars.

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This is interesting, an '82 Olympic Bianchi. Bicycles for the winter Olympics? https://neworleans.craigslist.org/bik/4841465502.html

Olympic Edition Bianchi Super Corsa - $3850 (New Orleans)



1982 Olympic Year Bianchi Super Corsa, Campagnolo Equipped brakes, levers, seatpost, crank, pedals, gears, hubs (low flange), derailer, silver soldered main and down tube, forks, and stays. Leather covered "3TT" handlebar, rubber grips on brake levers, selle italia seat.


There are a few things about this bike that don't add up, wrong color, missing chrome, bizarre gold rings (maybe that is the Olympic bit) missing decals. But even if all that was right $3800 for bike in that condition? Maybe if they could prove Mother Theresa rode on the bars while Pope pedaled it.
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Well, the first ad is gone.
A new ad is up, with all new photos.
This time for a mere $4000
1968 Schwann orange crate all original 5 speed


I guess I missed out on the last one. I better jump on this one quickly before it gets away
Hurry... the next ad it will be $8000.
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Old 02-02-15, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Clang
The part where he's not willing to part with this mutilated wreck for "a couple hundred dollars" amused me.

Co-Motion Co-Pilot take-apart bike, frame damage (S Minneapolis, MN)

Co-Motion Co-Pilot take-apart bike, frame damage



This was a $2-$3000 bike before it was run over. The carbon fork was cracked, one side of the bars were bent, one rim was totaled and the other has a very small bend. The real problem: a fold in the steel top tube, which I cut out (about 2 inches). It's way to nice to throw out, especially with the S&S couplers. I was planning to weld a patch in, though I just discovered that entire tubes can be replaced. If it were my size I would without a doubt get it repaired by a pro, but since I'm 6'5" and it was from a 5'10" rider it's just another project I'm not getting to. I'm open to selling the frame or the whole thing including wheel hubs and Ultegra components. Serious parties only, please. I'm not giving away those components for a couple hundred dollars.

$2500 for frameset only: Co-Motion Espresso Co-Pilot Frameset - Americancycle.com USA
Old review: Co-Motion's Co-Pilot By: Chris Rutkowski
If there was one major bend in the frame, there are likely two bends in it.

If he is so willing to do so many tubing repairs, he might as well just rebuild the whole frame to be a 62 cm frame

Actually, I think the ad is a little ambiguous. The $2500 quote is for a new frame.
He is taking "serious" offers on this damaged frame.

A complete Ultegra Gruppo would be worth a few hundred if in good condition and working order.

S&S Couplers have very limited availability for amateur builders. You could cut them out of the frame and sell them on E-Bay for at least $300

One would have to do a complete inspection, but the bike could well be worth $500 in parts, but that is only for the person willing to do the work to get everything cleaned up.
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Great Bianchi "Super Pista" FS:

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Great Bianchi "Super Pista" FS:

Bianchi Frame Super Pista Vintage 22in | eBay
That's in my area. Might check it out for yucks
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Great Bianchi "Super Pista" FS:

Bianchi Frame Super Pista Vintage 22in | eBay
Nice bars.
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Dreamer.

Men's Racing Bikes - 1980 Schwinn Continental - $500 ea.

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About 12 bucks a pound.
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Originally Posted by leegf
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Bianchi Frame Super Pista Vintage 22in | eBay
Where do they get the name "Super Pista" from?
Don't all Pista frames have rearward facing track dropouts?

I've never been a big Bianchi fan, but it might be worth it if yo could get them down to $50.
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Originally Posted by cb400bill
Whew, and they post in the ad every reason why I've never been interested in Schwinn bikes. How about a bit better description of the bikes actually being sold.


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I haven't quite made it down to sub-20 lbs yet, but I have never considered a 36 lb bike to be a lightweight, nor top of the line. 1010 straight gauge carbon steel? I suppose it is better than cast iron.

Nice condition, but $500 each sounds a bit optimistic.
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Ha, ride to school or when you have no class... fast & ferrous
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You have never been interested in Schwinn bikes because of a low end cheap model?

That's like not being interested in a Corvette because its made by the same company as the Aveo.

Are you also not interested in Peugeots, Bridgestones, Fujis, Bianchis, Treks, Univegas, Centurions, etc etc etc since all of those had low end entry level offerings?
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
You have never been interested in Schwinn bikes because of a low end cheap model?

That's like not being interested in a Corvette because its made by the same company as the Aveo.

Are you also not interested in Peugeots, Bridgestones, Fujis, Bianchis, Treks, Univegas, Centurions, etc etc etc since all of those had low end entry level offerings?
It's all a matter of personal taste. I like sports cars, but I don't like Corvettes- and it has nothing to do with the Aveo.
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Originally Posted by curbtender
Ha, ride to school or when you have no class... fast & ferrous
Ferrous, but not especially fast:

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Originally Posted by CliffordK
Where do they get the name "Super Pista" from?
Don't all Pista frames have rearward facing track dropouts?
"Super Pista" is an actual model, both in the past as well as the present. It was (and is) the higher-end track model.

Yes, all Pista frames - Pista and Super Pista - have horizontal track dropouts.
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Absolutely- personal taste is key. The example was more to show that the same company can make low end and high end things. Hating the company based on the low end stuff seems odd if the high end stuff is good. Its also why I listed all those other brands- they made low end and high end products.

Is it Schwinn's designs that are bad? Or their history? Just trying to understand not liking them specifically when they are but one of many who produced products all across the quality spectrum.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Absolutely- personal taste is key. The example was more to show that the same company can make low end and high end things. Hating the company based on the low end stuff seems odd if the high end stuff is good. Its also why I listed all those other brands- they made low end and high end products.

Is it Schwinn's designs that are bad? Or their history? Just trying to understand not liking them specifically when they are but one of many who produced products all across the quality spectrum.
Speaking only for myself (as someone who also doesn't seek out or gravitate toward Schwinns), it's impossible for me to mentally disassociate that name with bike boom crap, the Stingray, and other two-wheeled detritus. Yes I know they made Paramounts and other good, desirable bikes- but the negative association is far stronger. I also know that Peugeot, Bianchi, and countless others perpetrated similar 'crimes', but the difference there is that the mental association with winning and quality is a lot stronger; the misdeeds are thus easier to ignore. As European brands, I'd also be lying if I said they didn't retain a certain aura or mystique about them that Schwinn just does not have, even if rational minds know it's just a smokescreen.

Lastly, no one likes a loser, and their famous corporate mismanagement and myopia will forever be a cautionary tale.
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Originally Posted by leegf
It's all a matter of personal taste. I like sports cars, but I don't like Corvettes- and it has nothing to do with the Aveo.
I've not ridden a Schwinn since I was about 14 and I had a Sting Ray Fastback, but I wouldn't sneer at a Waterford Paramount. That being said, I think the issue with Schwinn is that they absolutely OWNED the U.S. Market in the 1950s to 1970s, and they used that dominant position not to move better bikes into the market, but rather, to produce predominantly heavy bikes that were over-priced relative to quality.

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It's a frozen turd. I'm sick of seeing it on the Minneapolis CL (since last year). I hope some rich sucker buys it for $1000.

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Originally Posted by D1andonlyDman
I've not ridden a Schwinn since I was about 14 and I had a Sting Ray Fastback, but I wouldn't sneer at a Waterford Paramount. That being said, I think the issue with Schwinn is that they absolutely OWNED the U.S. Market in the 1950s to 1970s, and they used that dominant position not to move better bikes into the market, but rather, to produce predominantly heavy bikes that were over-priced relative to quality.
You can say Varsities were heavy but you can't seriously say they were of poor quality for their price relative to anything else on the market in the 60's. This is because there basically wasn't any market before the bike boom. I invite you to look at your local Craigslist for 1960's bikes and see what you find. It will mostly be kid bikes and cruisers. The market for multiple-speed adult bicycles was less than 200,000 a year. The only serious competitor was Raleigh. The other competitors were Murray and Huffy and department store bikes that were really dreadful, or much racier imports. The (French!) RD is armored, the single-piece crank has a patented stamped-in shifting ramp and a disk that actually keeps your shoelaces out of the chain, the shifters work very nicely, and the whole package is stone-axe reliable. If you wanted something nicer they had that too, Super Sports with chrome steel frames and Paramounts with lugs and butted tubes.
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We used to have a local Schwinn store in town, I went in there a few times, but I don't think I ever walked out with anything.

Were there choices in the 70's and 80's?
I don't know; I never was in the market for a new bike at that time. Raleigh was mixed with quality.

Certainly there were a few other bikes.  Dad got a Torpado.  Mom ended up with a Motobecane, My brother had a Raleigh racing bike. I had a Viscount until it was stolen, and replaced it with a Colnago purchased in Italy. I had a friend in college that had a Vitus, I think.

I suppose I find that ad objectionable that Schwinn considered a 36 pound bike as "top of the line", and compared it to a 30 pound bike, when a better comparison might be to a 25 pound bike.

They did ok in their niche, but that was about it. The bikes were "solid", but not "quality".

As far as Bianchi, or Trek, I do think the Asian bikes that Bianchi-USA brings over the the USA cheapens the brand and is bad for their overall image. Likewise, Trek competing in the under $100 market also damages their brand.
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You can say Varsities were heavy but you can't seriously say they were of poor quality for their price relative to anything else on the market in the 60's. This is because there basically wasn't any market before the bike boom. I invite you to look at your local Craigslist for 1960's bikes and see what you find. It will mostly be kid bikes and cruisers. The market for multiple-speed adult bicycles was less than 200,000 a year. The only serious competitor was Raleigh. The other competitors were Murray and Huffy and department store bikes that were really dreadful, or much racier imports. The (French!) RD is armored, the single-piece crank has a patented stamped-in shifting ramp and a disk that actually keeps your shoelaces out of the chain, the shifters work very nicely, and the whole package is stone-axe reliable. If you wanted something nicer they had that too, Super Sports with chrome steel frames and Paramounts with lugs and butted tubes.
The thing is, given their control of the U.S. market, Schwinn could certainly have made bikes weighing 5-8 pounds less at the price points where they sold Continentals and Varsities. Raleigh was selling the Grand Prix in that space. It was only several years later that Schwinn was making and selling the LeTour in that space. Schwinn never really pushed the Super Sport the way they did the Varsity and Continental. Frankly, price vs. quality, the Paramount was the bargain of the Schwinn product line in the 1970s, as it sold for only 3x what a Varsity sold for, and less than 5x what a big box Huffy sold for at the time.
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I sure love riding my 1968 Schwinn Run-A-Bout. Was in the back of the catalog with the excercycle and the tandem. My first mountain bike was a 1954 Schwinn Corvette 3 speed with a 36T chainring, never broke it.
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