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Old 04-02-15, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by adventurepdx
Wait, there's a South Carolina?

Sure but shhhh... don't tell anybody... we don't need any more imports... LOL.
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Old 04-02-15, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by adventurepdx
Wait, there's a South Carolina?

im going to said place for a NASCAR race in September .. it better still be there ...
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
Well, the coop that has the most SA stuff does NOT have dynamo stuff. They have everything else you could think of. So where would I obtain a Magnet fixing bolt?
sixtyfiver's workshop in Edmonton. It's not that far!

In more (semi) seriousness, I take it when you say "the coop", you mean Citybikes? If they don't have it, check A Better Cycle.
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Originally Posted by adventurepdx
sixtyfiver's workshop in Edmonton. It's not that far!

In more (semi) seriousness, I take it when you say "the coop", you mean Citybikes? If they don't have it, check A Better Cycle.
It would be a joy to go visit @Sixtyfiver shop and buy some parts! I went to CCC for something else I had to exchange and since I was there I thought I'd ask. Then City Bikes and they took me in the back where they have drawers of individual parts, but mostly for the AW hub. No dyno hubs or parts at all. I haven't tried ABC yet, as I ran out of time. I'm going to be in PDX for "bike stuff" tomorrow, so I might check.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
How about the spacer cup & spacers?
There are variants of this hub through the years. Are you sure yours is the same as the one on Master Sheldon's site? It may be you don't need the spacers at all. Did the wheel spin before you took it apart without grinding? That is often a clue that things aren't so bad.

Magnet fixing bolt: I would look for something at Ace Hardware in the stainless section, something non-metric. Find something that is too long that you can install and once in place, snap off the excess with a needlenose pliers and then file it a little so it doesn't look terrible. It may not be perfect, but it might also be that whatever is there might suit well enough that you might be the only one that knows it isn't period. Otherwise you may have to cannibalize another hub to get the same hardware... or maybe sixtyfiver really does have something laying around....
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
Well, the coop that has the most SA stuff does NOT have dynamo stuff. They have everything else you could think of. So where would I obtain a Magnet fixing bolt?
I found an exploded view of a dyno hub on the web. I see 4 magnet fixing screws with corresponding nuts. It looks like you could use standard UNF threaded screws. Since they use nuts, there wouldn't even be any need for tapping. If I were rebuilding this hub, I would figure out the dimensions of the screw, go to McMaster-Carr site and see if they have any screws and nuts that would work.
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Thanks for the information. I will start at my hardware store and see what I can find. There has to be something that works.

The hub did grind when I spun it by hand but the left cup had thick hard dried grease that was bumpy. It spins smoothly now. It came with a bunch of random spacers that were just hanging there just inside the axle nut. Exploded view of GH6 shows, from outside toward center, axle nut, axle washer (these would go on outside of fork I presume), locknut, spacer, then cone. EXCEPT, on the dyno side there is a wide "Spacing Cup" (part #GL623 ) that I don't have. I'm also missing the washers that go between locknut & cone, along with the washers that go with the axle nuts.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
It would be a joy to go visit @Sixtyfiver shop and buy some parts! I went to CCC for something else I had to exchange and since I was there I thought I'd ask. Then City Bikes and they took me in the back where they have drawers of individual parts, but mostly for the AW hub. No dyno hubs or parts at all. I haven't tried ABC yet, as I ran out of time. I'm going to be in PDX for "bike stuff" tomorrow, so I might check.
If I am ever hiring, I'll be calling you and you are always welcome to stop by if only for a visit.

I don't have much in they way of dynahub spare parts... just whole working units.
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Interesting curved-frame Hercules in nice shape for reasonable price.


1959 Hercules. mens 3 speed cruiser
1959 Hercules. mens 3 speed cruiser - $139 (chester) < >





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great shape no rust ready to ride
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whats under the car cover ? a first gen camaro ? nice collection . hard to tell what they all are .
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You're close on the car. They share similar styling cues...
1965 Corvair Corsa.
When GM decided to stop any more development on the Corvair other than yearly safety/emissions upgrades, they
focused on a more traditional replacement, i.e front mounted engine.The Camaro and Firebird were designed as Mustang fighters
and the first generation design did share some of the late model Corvair's styling...
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Not English, but a three-speed. We are on vacation and decided to try and find some cheap bikes to toodle around on. We found this beaut for Ellen for $35. We'll just donate it to the local thrift store before returning home. Still cheaper than a "beach cruiser" rental. We didn't decide to do this until we got down here (Longboat Key, FL). Next time I'll bring a few tools in case adjustments are needed.

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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
I am missing part # GL623 Spacing Cup. How important is this? Is there something I could get from the hardware store that would work? I'm going to a coop shortly and they have drawers of old Sturmey Archer parts.

Am missing Part # X42 & X42A (1/8" & 1/16" washers) - I could use ones from the hardware store right?

Also I managed to over tighten one of the magnet fixing bolts and broke it. Ugh. Coop is my friend.

OK. Still don't know how I'm gonna figure out if it makes electricity unless I hook it up to a real wheel. Maybe my Phillips.

NOTE: This is the page I'm referring to when naming parts numbers:

https://www.sturmey-archerheritage.co...s/pic-1061.jpg
Ok, I have two dynohubs, one from 72 and one from 74. One is from a Supurbe and is spaced at 90mm. the other from a Sprite and spaced at 100 mm. The differrence is that the 90 mm hub doesn't have the washers corresponding to 42 and 42 A and the 10 mm hub does. So, depends on the fork whether you need them or not.

As for the "Spacing cup," you need that. The hub will not work without it. I can't tell for sure from the photos of your hub as bought, but I'm guessing that it's on there. The spacing cup goes on the generator side of the hub and fits between the spacing washers (if present) and the magnet cover plate. If you don't have the spacers, it's between the "cone lock nut" and the magnetic cover plate. Force applied to the magnet cover plate by the cone lock nut through the spacing cup is what prevents the magnetic cover plate from rotating with the wheel. It fixes the stationary part of the dyno to the axle. So, if there was a part between the dyno side locknut and the dyno cover plate that's about 10 mm thick and which has two different sized holes, a small on the outside and a big on the inside, that's it. If you don't have it, you have to figure out some way to fix the stationary part of the dyno to the axle and also properly set the OLD of your hub.

So, spacing cup (or substitute), yes. Spacers to get your desired OLD.

As for your meter, you probably have little alligator clip adapters that the straight probes will fit into. They probably came with your meter or the probes. I'm always losing mine so I end up using little alligator clip leads. You may have some of those around. If not, try Fry's. Or, if you're desperate, Radio Shack. Or, you can get everything you could possible want in your life (including groceries, coffee, etc) from Amazon.
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@desconhecido- I do not have the spacing cup so when I spin the wheel the bolts spin around so I can't attach electrodes. I understand about the other washers. I need spacing cup.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
@desconhecido- I do not have the spacing cup so when I spin the wheel the bolts spin around so I can't attach electrodes. I understand about the other washers. I need spacing cup.
Your hub is much older than either of mine so I suspect details are not the same.

Here's my hub spaced for 90 mm with everything but the lock nut and spacer cup removed from the dyno side.



The spacer is between the locknut and the armature. I had my terminology wrong in the previous post, but it's too late to fix it.

Here's the hub with locknut and spacer cup removed.



You can see the cone peeking out from the armature. The major big bore diameter in the spacer cup needs to be big enough to swallow the exposed part of the cone and deeper (I think) than the exposed part of the cone so that it will press against the chromed surface of the armature cover plate.

Here's just the cup:



The dimensions of my cups, which may be different from what you need:

9.3 mm thick

small bore: 10.7 mm
big bore: 14.7 mm
depth of big bore: 7.3 mm.

I forgot to measure the overall diameter -- probably about 17 mm.

If you don't have the appropriate part, probably the easiest thing to do would be to fabricate a replacement from a stack of washers with the appropriate diameters. This part would be pretty easy to fabricate from an aluminum or brass round with the proper tools.

I hate it when people say that. It's "easy" if. . . Yeah, if I had the proper tools and had a clue what I was doing, it would be easy and it would be done.
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I hate it when people say that. It's "easy" if. . . Yeah, if I had the proper tools and had a clue what I was doing, it would be easy and it would be done.
Or in @Velocivixen's case, I'll bet she needs just such a reason to become friends with the local cool machine shop. This was the case for a project my son was working on - what he needed he couldn't find so I said "draw up the pictures on autocad and we'll get someone to make it." He was astounded that you could do something like that (which was the whole point), and when we went to local machine shop the owner was so interested in the project he was excited to see the part in use (it was a custom pommel for my son's fencing épée). Everyone wins!
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Or in @Velocivixen's case, I'll bet she needs just such a reason to become friends with the local cool machine shop. This was the case for a project my son was working on - what he needed he couldn't find so I said "draw up the pictures on autocad and we'll get someone to make it." He was astounded that you could do something like that (which was the whole point), and when we went to local machine shop the owner was so interested in the project he was excited to see the part in use (it was a custom pommel for my son's fencing épée). Everyone wins!
I have an interest in metal machining but no tools and no room. So, late at night when I can't sleep I watch you tube videos of people making things out of wood and metal. There are some very interesting videos of people doing work with quite inexpensive (Harbor Freight and the ilk) machines. Some of the amateur machinists are quite young.

Opportunities lost: when we were kids, my future father-in-law was a skilled tradesman (millwright) in a paper mill. He had some light duty tools in his garage -- small metal lathe, probably an Atlas or Craftsman, some other stuff. At the time, I had no interest in what he was up to.
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took the old girl out today for the first time . she rode really good with no noticeable problems . even with the 40 year old tires . shifted and braked great .
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Something different. A 1958 Rudge. Plaid is Rad
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Something different. A 1958 Rudge. Plaid is Rad
...and the first thing they do is swap out the wheels and make it a single speed.
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According to Bendix, girls don't go for guys that ride 3 speeds.
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So that's where I've been going wrong all these years.
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According to Bendix, girls don't go for guys that ride 3 speeds.
What about women who ride 3 speeds? What happens to them???
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