Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets
Reload this Page >

Anti Theft Recommendations

Notices
Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets HRM, GPS, MP3, HID. Whether it's got an acronym or not, here's where you'll find discussions on all sorts of tools, toys and gadgets.

Anti Theft Recommendations

Old 04-18-22, 06:39 PM
  #51  
Senior Member
 
rekmeyata's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: NE Indiana
Posts: 9,183

Bikes: 2020 Masi Giramondo 700c; 2013 Lynskey Peloton; 1992 Giant Rincon; 1989 Dawes needs parts; 1985 Trek 660; 1985 Fuji Club; 1984 Schwinn Voyager; 1984 Miyata 612; 1977 Raleigh Competition GS

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1111 Post(s)
Liked 243 Times in 196 Posts
Originally Posted by JohnJ80
I don’t agree.

two locks still means two attempts at freeing a bike compared to one for most other bikes. That means cutting one lock, repositioning and aligning to cut the second lock. Having two different lock styles makes it more complicated for the thieves without grinders.

I also offer our track record of 18 years of bike usage spread over two bikes at a major urban university over the last 10 years. No thefts and no attempts of consequence. Bikes are nice high quality vintage racing bikes with leather saddles, hand built wheels, campy hubs etc….

It’s not about how hard it is for a thief to get your bike out on absolute terms but how much more inconvenient it is compared to an immediately accessible bike next to yours in relative terms. Thieves are all about risk/reward optimization. Spending even slightly more time is much higher risk than a quick hit of a lower value bike.
Fine that you disagree but I disagree with you, I know how angle grinders work, and it would only take an average of 15 to 30 seconds for each lock, the longest was 1 minute 10 seconds to cut through a single Kryptonite NY Fahgettaboudit D lock. Now there is one lock that took over an hour to cut through it, the Altor SAF, but that lock is not very portable, it's huge. But 1 minute 10 seconds is fast. The other problem is that most citizens if they see this sort of action going on will not involve themselves for fear of getting shot, so don't use the idea of some good citizen coming to the rescue of your bike, it isn't worth their life.

Now there is a new type of lock material coming out that promises to defeat angle grinders and drills, not out yet in a full retail march through bicycle internet stores, but eventually it might, below is a web site that talks about what damage angle grinders do and what the answer might be.

https://thebestbikelock.com/security...o%20be%20exact.
rekmeyata is offline  
Likes For rekmeyata:
Old 04-18-22, 09:20 PM
  #52  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 4,671

Bikes: N+1=5

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 875 Post(s)
Liked 243 Times in 180 Posts
Originally Posted by rekmeyata
Fine that you disagree but I disagree with you, I know how angle grinders work, and it would only take an average of 15 to 30 seconds for each lock, the longest was 1 minute 10 seconds to cut through a single Kryptonite NY Fahgettaboudit D lock. Now there is one lock that took over an hour to cut through it, the Altor SAF, but that lock is not very portable, it's huge. But 1 minute 10 seconds is fast. The other problem is that most citizens if they see this sort of action going on will not involve themselves for fear of getting shot, so don't use the idea of some good citizen coming to the rescue of your bike, it isn't worth their life.

Now there is a new type of lock material coming out that promises to defeat angle grinders and drills, not out yet in a full retail march through bicycle internet stores, but eventually it might, below is a web site that talks about what damage angle grinders do and what the answer might be.

https://thebestbikelock.com/security...o%20be%20exact.
you still have not explained how I’ve been able to completely avoid bike theft with two bikes in an urban university bike stealing environment for 10 years for two bikes (19 bike-years). That should not be possible if angle grinders are everywhere and everything can be defeated by them as you allege. (Hint: it’s not the grinder).

I stand by our record and our method. if you can’t top that success, then you need to re-examine your theory.
JohnJ80 is offline  
Old 04-19-22, 05:48 AM
  #53  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Georgia
Posts: 654
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 236 Post(s)
Liked 196 Times in 130 Posts
Originally Posted by rekmeyata
Fine that you disagree but I disagree with you, I know how angle grinders work, and it would only take an average of 15 to 30 seconds for each lock, the longest was 1 minute 10 seconds to cut through a single Kryptonite NY Fahgettaboudit D lock.

Sure, but do you use one on a regular basis? I do.

Cutting through something securely clamped in a bench vice while holding the grinder w/ cutting wheel with two hands is rather different from cutting something sitting loose, trying to hold it with one hand while holding the grinder with the other hand. Cutting chain links is another thing - easy when they're clamped securely yet rather difficult when they're loose. (not impossible, but not simple either)

So while your point is correct that an angle grinder & cutoff disc will go through near everything in fairly short order, you're also oversimplifying just how quickly it'll get through multiple cuts in the field without being able to easily clamp/hold what you're trying to cut.

There's also the part where the thief is far more likely to go after the easier to steal bike. Given the choice of a bike with a double-locking u-lock and chain vs a bike with a single-locking u-lock, the thief is more more likely to target the bike needing one single cut rather that four cuts.


Originally Posted by JohnJ80
you still have not explained how I’ve been able to completely avoid bike theft with two bikes in an urban university bike stealing environment for 10 years for two bikes (19 bike-years). That should not be possible if angle grinders are everywhere and everything can be defeated by them as you allege. (Hint: it’s not the grinder)..
Exactly. There are many layers to security and frankly the simplest one seems to be to make your stuff more difficult to take than other people's stuff. The thief specifically wanting your bike will take it even if double locked. The thief just wanting a bike will go for the easier target.
gpburdell is offline  
Old 04-19-22, 07:31 AM
  #54  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 7,766
Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6882 Post(s)
Liked 10,873 Times in 4,637 Posts
OT from the OP, but an alternative: rather than locking up a bike outside, take it indoors with you. Attitude is everything: I walk into a store or doctor's office with my bike and act like it's the most normal and common thing in the world...And no one ever even asks me about it.
Koyote is offline  
Likes For Koyote:
Old 04-19-22, 09:32 AM
  #55  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 4,671

Bikes: N+1=5

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 875 Post(s)
Liked 243 Times in 180 Posts
Originally Posted by gpburdell
Sure, but do you use one on a regular basis? I do.

Cutting through something securely clamped in a bench vice while holding the grinder w/ cutting wheel with two hands is rather different from cutting something sitting loose, trying to hold it with one hand while holding the grinder with the other hand. Cutting chain links is another thing - easy when they're clamped securely yet rather difficult when they're loose. (not impossible, but not simple either)

So while your point is correct that an angle grinder & cutoff disc will go through near everything in fairly short order, you're also oversimplifying just how quickly it'll get through multiple cuts in the field without being able to easily clamp/hold what you're trying to cut.

There's also the part where the thief is far more likely to go after the easier to steal bike. Given the choice of a bike with a double-locking u-lock and chain vs a bike with a single-locking u-lock, the thief is more more likely to target the bike needing one single cut rather that four cuts.



Exactly. There are many layers to security and frankly the simplest one seems to be to make your stuff more difficult to take than other people's stuff. The thief specifically wanting your bike will take it even if double locked. The thief just wanting a bike will go for the easier target.
Excellent response. You’ve nailed it.
JohnJ80 is offline  
Likes For JohnJ80:
Old 04-19-22, 10:47 AM
  #56  
Senior Member
 
rekmeyata's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: NE Indiana
Posts: 9,183

Bikes: 2020 Masi Giramondo 700c; 2013 Lynskey Peloton; 1992 Giant Rincon; 1989 Dawes needs parts; 1985 Trek 660; 1985 Fuji Club; 1984 Schwinn Voyager; 1984 Miyata 612; 1977 Raleigh Competition GS

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1111 Post(s)
Liked 243 Times in 196 Posts
Originally Posted by JohnJ80
you still have not explained how I’ve been able to completely avoid bike theft with two bikes in an urban university bike stealing environment for 10 years for two bikes (19 bike-years). That should not be possible if angle grinders are everywhere and everything can be defeated by them as you allege. (Hint: it’s not the grinder).

I stand by our record and our method. if you can’t top that success, then you need to re-examine your theory.
So, you want to be argumentative? and point your finger at me? probably your middle finger! I gave you a website that alleges as well, but you yell at me. I went to college too, rode my bike, and locked it up with a CABLE lock!!! and it was never stolen either, how do YOU explain that? And you want to argue over the what they call a tool that is called that in the industry, not by me but by the industry?

I'm done with this immature conversation you are ranting on about, have a nice life.
rekmeyata is offline  
Old 04-19-22, 12:55 PM
  #57  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 4,671

Bikes: N+1=5

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 875 Post(s)
Liked 243 Times in 180 Posts
Originally Posted by rekmeyata
So, you want to be argumentative? and point your finger at me? probably your middle finger! I gave you a website that alleges as well, but you yell at me. I went to college too, rode my bike, and locked it up with a CABLE lock!!! and it was never stolen either, how do YOU explain that? And you want to argue over the what they call a tool that is called that in the industry, not by me but by the industry?

I'm done with this immature conversation you are ranting on about, have a nice life.
If you look back, it was I who called you out and in response asked you to explain how this could be directly on the facts.

Pro tip: being insulting instead of having a legitimate response doesn’t work, and is - in fact - immature and is a tacit agreement to having lost the argument.
JohnJ80 is offline  
Old 04-19-22, 05:22 PM
  #58  
Super Moderator
 
making's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Greenwood Indiana
Posts: 2,805

Bikes: Surly Crosscheck

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1542 Post(s)
Liked 868 Times in 521 Posts
Can't we all just get along? Play nice.
__________________
Good Night Chesty, Wherever You Are
making is offline  
Likes For making:
Old 04-20-22, 06:04 PM
  #59  
Full Member
 
shmily_dana's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 213
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Even if you have a perfect lock that can't be cut, there are expensive parts that can be quickly removed by a thief. I bet there are videos on how quick a bicycle can have all the parts removed leaving the frame and a wheel (or both) and the lock.
shmily_dana is offline  
Old 04-20-22, 06:35 PM
  #60  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 4,671

Bikes: N+1=5

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 875 Post(s)
Liked 243 Times in 180 Posts
Originally Posted by shmily_dana
Even if you have a perfect lock that can't be cut, there are expensive parts that can be quickly removed by a thief. I bet there are videos on how quick a bicycle can have all the parts removed leaving the frame and a wheel (or both) and the lock.
Pit Locks make a thief have to invest too much time in stealing your bike which (in their eyes) has now diminished value or by damaging the component removing the pit lock. Pretty excellent product. By the time you add these to your bike and lock it up near others easier to steal, yours is far less desirable to a thief and, therefore, much less likely to be stolen.

If the thief were to steal a bike locked and tricked out with pit locks, they’d have to spend an hour or so trying to get them off in order to either fence the parts or sell the bike.

Last edited by JohnJ80; 04-20-22 at 06:40 PM.
JohnJ80 is offline  
Old 04-20-22, 06:52 PM
  #61  
Full Member
 
shmily_dana's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 213
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by JohnJ80
Pit Locks make a thief have to invest too much time in stealing your bike which (in their eyes) has now diminished value or by damaging the component removing the pit lock. Pretty excellent product. By the time you add these to your bike and lock it up near others easier to steal, yours is far less desirable to a thief and, therefore, much less likely to be stolen.

If the thief were to steal a bike locked and tricked out with pit locks, they’d have to spend an hour or so trying to get them off in order to either fence the parts or sell the bike.
I've never heard of them. Are they available in the US? I don't think I need them myself, but I am curious.

Last edited by shmily_dana; 04-20-22 at 06:53 PM. Reason: added question mark
shmily_dana is offline  
Old 04-20-22, 07:52 PM
  #62  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 4,671

Bikes: N+1=5

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 875 Post(s)
Liked 243 Times in 180 Posts
Originally Posted by shmily_dana
I've never heard of them. Are they available in the US? I don't think I need them myself, but I am curious.
yep. For a long time too.

https://www.urbanbiketech.com/
JohnJ80 is offline  
Old 04-21-22, 04:49 PM
  #63  
Senior Member
 
rekmeyata's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: NE Indiana
Posts: 9,183

Bikes: 2020 Masi Giramondo 700c; 2013 Lynskey Peloton; 1992 Giant Rincon; 1989 Dawes needs parts; 1985 Trek 660; 1985 Fuji Club; 1984 Schwinn Voyager; 1984 Miyata 612; 1977 Raleigh Competition GS

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1111 Post(s)
Liked 243 Times in 196 Posts
Originally Posted by JohnJ80
Pit Locks make a thief have to invest too much time in stealing your bike which (in their eyes) has now diminished value or by damaging the component removing the pit lock. Pretty excellent product. By the time you add these to your bike and lock it up near others easier to steal, yours is far less desirable to a thief and, therefore, much less likely to be stolen.

If the thief were to steal a bike locked and tricked out with pit locks, they’d have to spend an hour or so trying to get them off in order to either fence the parts or sell the bike.
This is not true either, pit locks can be easily overcome by https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopi...2&start=15pros.



Pitlocks, and Thorn don't like them?

This stuff is all over the internet and on YouTube how to defeat these locks, it's not a big deal to do it.

So a thief will have a choice to make, defeat the lock and take the bike and work on the pitlocks at home, or move on to a bike with less hassle.

Again, the best way to protect your expensive bike at work or at college etc., is simply DO NOT ride that bike to those places that place your bike at risk! Simply buy a cheap used bike for $250 or so and take that instead, and don't ever bother washing it, the dirtier it looks the less likely it would get stolen, then buy a cheap $45 locking system and call it a day.

Knowing how argumentative you're going to get about this, I'm not going to respond to you on your follow ups, my information is for those that are thinking that a pitlock, or pinlock, will save their components, they won't.
rekmeyata is offline  
Likes For rekmeyata:
Old 04-22-22, 06:38 AM
  #64  
tcs
Palmer
 
tcs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Parts Unknown
Posts: 8,580

Bikes: Mike Melton custom, 1982 Stumpjumper, Alex Moulton AM, 2010 Dawes Briercliffe, 2017 Dahon Curl i8, 2021 Motobecane Turino 1x12

Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1645 Post(s)
Liked 1,785 Times in 1,041 Posts
Originally Posted by shmily_dana
Even if you have a perfect lock that can't be cut, there are expensive parts that can be quickly removed by a thief. I bet there are videos on how quick a bicycle can have all the parts removed leaving the frame and a wheel (or both) and the lock.
See post no. 25
tcs is offline  
Old 04-22-22, 06:49 AM
  #65  
tcs
Palmer
 
tcs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Parts Unknown
Posts: 8,580

Bikes: Mike Melton custom, 1982 Stumpjumper, Alex Moulton AM, 2010 Dawes Briercliffe, 2017 Dahon Curl i8, 2021 Motobecane Turino 1x12

Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1645 Post(s)
Liked 1,785 Times in 1,041 Posts
Originally Posted by rekmeyata
Again, the best way to protect your expensive bike at work or at college etc., is simply DO NOT ride that bike to those places that place your bike at risk!
You can easily be mugged and have your expensive bike stolen. Some years back some enterprising chaps in Houston were stringing high test fishing line across the bike path at the base of a small decent and stealing the bikes of the fellows they knocked senseless.

The best way to protect your expensive bike is simply NEVER ride it! Get some 17~19mm security chain and an Abloy PL362T Protec2 and secure the bike to a ground anchor in a secure vault with alarms and video.
tcs is offline  
Old 04-22-22, 07:05 AM
  #66  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2022
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
An interesting topic, I learned a lot for myself. My bike has never been stolen, I hope it will continue to be so
carlstensfer102 is offline  
Old 04-22-22, 10:07 AM
  #67  
Senior Member
 
rekmeyata's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: NE Indiana
Posts: 9,183

Bikes: 2020 Masi Giramondo 700c; 2013 Lynskey Peloton; 1992 Giant Rincon; 1989 Dawes needs parts; 1985 Trek 660; 1985 Fuji Club; 1984 Schwinn Voyager; 1984 Miyata 612; 1977 Raleigh Competition GS

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1111 Post(s)
Liked 243 Times in 196 Posts
Originally Posted by tcs
You can easily be mugged and have your expensive bike stolen. Some years back some enterprising chaps in Houston were stringing high test fishing line across the bike path at the base of a small decent and stealing the bikes of the fellows they knocked senseless.

The best way to protect your expensive bike is simply NEVER ride it! Get some 17~19mm security chain and an Abloy PL362T Protec2 and secure the bike to a ground anchor in a secure vault with alarms and video.
That is true, but bike mugging is much rarer than bike theft; having said that they had a rash of bike muggings along the Los Angeles River, and the Santa Ana River Trail, but with all the homeless living down there why in the hell would you ride through there alone anyways? Unless you had a gang of cyclists with you, then you would be left alone. Not sure if LA police have stopped that crap along that river or not, I do know that it's still tent city down through there so that would lead me to believe that the cops are pretty much powerless to prevent bike muggings.





They estimate that ALL the bicycles you see in those films have been stolen one way or another, and most that were stolen were sold. I don't live in LA anymore so not sure if the City cleaned up those areas, I heard that they had, but to what degree I don't know. But there are other large cities with similar situations where you take a risk of getting biked mugged.
rekmeyata is offline  
Old 04-22-22, 03:13 PM
  #68  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 4,671

Bikes: N+1=5

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 875 Post(s)
Liked 243 Times in 180 Posts
Originally Posted by rekmeyata
This is not true either, pit locks can be easily overcome by https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopi...2&start=15pros. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-yBxAEMCsw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90J9_BIEInI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS6mOXWx5mA

Pitlocks, and Thorn don't like them?

This stuff is all over the internet and on YouTube how to defeat these locks, it's not a big deal to do it.

So a thief will have a choice to make, defeat the lock and take the bike and work on the pitlocks at home, or move on to a bike with less hassle.

Again, the best way to protect your expensive bike at work or at college etc., is simply DO NOT ride that bike to those places that place your bike at risk! Simply buy a cheap used bike for $250 or so and take that instead, and don't ever bother washing it, the dirtier it looks the less likely it would get stolen, then buy a cheap $45 locking system and call it a day.

Knowing how argumentative you're going to get about this, I'm not going to respond to you on your follow ups, my information is for those that are thinking that a pitlock, or pinlock, will save their components, they won't.
You're having a hard time understanding the point I'm making (which others seem to grasp right away). It's not an "absolute" thing but relative to the bikes available to the thief. You also don't have any explanation for why I've been able to keep a bike for 20 years (2 bikes in the last 10 epic bike stealing years) at major urban university without a single attempt or problem. You claim it won't work but it has. It's hard to argue with success but you seem to want to. Ok..... I know it's hard to accept alternative solutions sometimes.

The reality is that most bikes stolen are taken for a quick turn on cash for illicit sale to often support a drug habit. When you lock it more securely than the bikes around you, and when there has to be a time and maybe money investment in making your bike sellable, guess what? They pick another bike. Very few bikes get double locked. Far fewer bikes get double locked and have high quality pit locks. Virtually no thieves will invest money in new seat bolts, skewers or other parts that they need to put the bike back together after the science project of taking it apart. The deterrent to theft is inconvenience with respect to other alternatives.

FWIW, the pit locks that I use and advocated for I don't believe are any of those you listed. There are many brands of these and some of them can be easily defeated with a vice grips. Those are not the ones that I have. Choose wisely.

Yes, true - if you absolutely don't want your bike stolen, keep it with you at all times. There are a lot of times when that's not possible. For those times, there's some pretty good solutions. It is most definitely not a case that there is no locking strategy that works. But, as always, you do you.

Last edited by JohnJ80; 04-22-22 at 03:41 PM.
JohnJ80 is offline  
Old 04-22-22, 05:15 PM
  #69  
Senior Member
 
rekmeyata's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: NE Indiana
Posts: 9,183

Bikes: 2020 Masi Giramondo 700c; 2013 Lynskey Peloton; 1992 Giant Rincon; 1989 Dawes needs parts; 1985 Trek 660; 1985 Fuji Club; 1984 Schwinn Voyager; 1984 Miyata 612; 1977 Raleigh Competition GS

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1111 Post(s)
Liked 243 Times in 196 Posts
Originally Posted by JohnJ80
You're having a hard time understanding the point I'm making (which others seem to grasp right away). It's not an "absolute" thing but relative to the bikes available to the thief. You also don't have any explanation for why I've been able to keep a bike for 20 years (2 bikes in the last 10 epic bike stealing years) at major urban university without a single attempt or problem. You claim it won't work but it has. It's hard to argue with success but you seem to want to. Ok..... I know it's hard to accept alternative solutions sometimes.

The reality is that most bikes stolen are taken for a quick turn on cash for illicit sale to often support a drug habit. When you lock it more securely than the bikes around you, and when there has to be a time and maybe money investment in making your bike sellable, guess what? They pick another bike. Very few bikes get double locked. Far fewer bikes get double locked and have high quality pit locks. Virtually no thieves will invest money in new seat bolts, skewers or other parts that they need to put the bike back together after the science project of taking it apart. The deterrent to theft is inconvenience with respect to other alternatives.

I dont

FWIW, the pit locks that I use and advocated for I don't believe are any of those you listed. There are many brands of these and some of them can be easily defeated with a vice grips. Those are not the ones that I have. Choose wisely.

Yes, true - if you absolutely don't want your bike stolen, keep it with you at all times. There are a lot of times when that's not possible. For those times, there's some pretty good solutions. It is most definitely not a case that there is no locking strategy that works. But, as always, you do you.
I don't give a rats arse about why your bike was never stolen Mr Argumentative, just like I don't care mine wasn't stolen using just a simple cable lock at a major Los Angeles college when other bikes were being stolen, and my bike, while not top of the line, it was a really good middle of the road bike, and plenty of those types were getting stolen because they were easier to sell or fence. I've told you that before and you still don't fathom the idea. I've also locked my bike up for years working in Los Angeles office buildings and the bike is outside parked, locked with the same cable lock, a lock I still have today, which means it's been locking up my bikes for over 40 years, explain that! You can't, just like I can't explain yours other than just plain dumb luck.

And while you keep going on and on about bikes being stolen for drugs, a lot of these guys are pro bike thieves, and as a pro they can overcome any kind of lock you come up with. We haven't even talked about the ability some of these guys have at picking locks.

So, I don't get hung up chasing your stupid senseless argumentative nature I am not responding to any more of your nonsense about this post...I admit, not all that you said is nonsense, in fact I agree with it, but you constantly attacking me about NOTHING, is ridiculous and immature, and by me responding the way you would like me to respond, would make me no better than you.
rekmeyata is offline  
Old 04-23-22, 09:34 PM
  #70  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 4,671

Bikes: N+1=5

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 875 Post(s)
Liked 243 Times in 180 Posts
Originally Posted by rekmeyata
I don't give a rats arse about why your bike was never stolen Mr Argumentative, just like I don't care mine wasn't stolen using just a simple cable lock at a major Los Angeles college when other bikes were being stolen, and my bike, while not top of the line, it was a really good middle of the road bike, and plenty of those types were getting stolen because they were easier to sell or fence. I've told you that before and you still don't fathom the idea. I've also locked my bike up for years working in Los Angeles office buildings and the bike is outside parked, locked with the same cable lock, a lock I still have today, which means it's been locking up my bikes for over 40 years, explain that! You can't, just like I can't explain yours other than just plain dumb luck.

And while you keep going on and on about bikes being stolen for drugs, a lot of these guys are pro bike thieves, and as a pro they can overcome any kind of lock you come up with. We haven't even talked about the ability some of these guys have at picking locks.

So, I don't get hung up chasing your stupid senseless argumentative nature I am not responding to any more of your nonsense about this post...I admit, not all that you said is nonsense, in fact I agree with it, but you constantly attacking me about NOTHING, is ridiculous and immature, and by me responding the way you would like me to respond, would make me no better than you.
i have to tell you, I got a kick out of your response. You begin this whole thing arguing with what I said, then when challenged you go off into an *amazing* “argumentative” rant - screech even - accusing me of being “argumentative.” You can’t make this stuff up. You just can’t.

That my friend, is what’s called a “self own.”

Gotta love it. Simply perfect. 👍 Don’t see that every day.
JohnJ80 is offline  
Old 04-24-22, 05:44 AM
  #71  
Super Moderator
 
making's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Greenwood Indiana
Posts: 2,805

Bikes: Surly Crosscheck

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1542 Post(s)
Liked 868 Times in 521 Posts
It is early Sunday morning. Very nice start to the day here in Indiana. I want to go for a bicycle ride and have another coffee. Really make an effort to get along so I don't have to do any modding. Thanks Mark
__________________
Good Night Chesty, Wherever You Are
making is offline  
Likes For making:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.