That's waaay too close for a non-approved draft. I'll only let ppl I know ride THAT close. Even then in traffic that's just foolish. Shake and break time, or a rearward Heisman :lol:.

Eastern Ontario Roller Racing Championships: http://www.pedalmag.com/index.php?mo...&item_id=12424

Also, as a response to the powertap data that operator posted:

First of all, this likely is not a very good comparison because of 2 things. First of all, I'm making the assumption that average power (watts) is a good indicator of the difficulty of a ride. I have no idea if that really makes sense or not. Secondly, I'm using a web app (http://www.braydenwm.com/calburn.htm) to mathematically determine my average power during a ride. I'm not sure how accurate that is.

Anyway, I downloaded the data that operator posted and calculated the average power for that riding during the donut. It was ~163W. Then I used the web app to determine my own estimated average power during my ride on Saturday morning and it came out to ~197W. That was an easy Zone2 ride for me, so I don't see myself having much trouble maintaining it pretty much indefinitely (assuming I 'fuel' properly! :P).

Yeah, umm.. not really sure where I'm going with this except that it makes me feel better about doing the donut sometime soon. :P

i'm sure we're all in shape enough at some point to keep up with the pace of the doughnut ride, it's the hellish take-no-prisoners pack riding that scares me. i can't believe we're talking about the doughnut ride. we're such roadie scum! i'm shaving my legs later; who's in?

Shave your legs, save the hair in a zip lock bag, then, during the ride, do a pull and unleash the bag behind you. Instant breakaway.

Sorry Jeremy. I'm not up to shaving your legs. I don't know if I'll ever get around to doing the donut. I like to be in shape and fast because it's fun and I think that's enough. I don't really have any desire to become an elite level racer and get in with that crowd. Just not my thing. At least I don't think so... I guess I should check it out at least once though... We should all go wearing cutoffs and hoodies. And our bikes should be really dirty. :D

On a related note, and come to think of it, relating to the thread topic as well, I rode my road bike yesterday and it was boring! It felt too easy or something. Weird.

Oh and thanks Rob for protecting my intellectual property. :D

P.S. I'm at work on lunch right now. To my left is about 35 R3 SL frames and to my right is a built Soloist Carbon and a 3/4 built P3C. :)

So you can't go for a fast road ride without having delusions of grandeur and shaved legs? Interesting. For the record, I don't have either. :)

I will walk in and wink four times with my left eye and that will be the sign that you know it is me. When you see the winks, pretend to go into an epileptic seizure, your co-workers will rush to your aid, I will rush over to the R3s and depart with two of them. Remember, 4 winks of the left eye. Maybe I should touch my head 2 times as well, just so there is no confusion.

4 winks and 2 head touches then convulsions, got it?

the soloist carbon is set up for you to test ride...you know just to make sure everything is ok...;) take it for a good 20 or 30 km ride...

Dan, what's it like working at Cervelo?

I'm far from being roadie scum on my clapped out old Centurion, but I'm definitely in for the donut ride - my only concern is holding the hammer down enough to keep up. I think I'm fairly quick compared to the average person on a bike - but that's not who rides the donut and I'm probably not that fast for long stretches - I rode in a peleton on the ride for heart for a while and had trouble keeping pace after a while, though I was on platforms and not in super shape at the time I still dropped off the pack. I rode back from Niagara Falls (100 miles almost to the dot on my route) the first time in 8.5 hours including lots of breaks, which isn't too bad, but it's no 23+mph constant (I ride more like around 19-21mph mostly as I keep in the same gear all the time). I'll be pushing more on the Hairshirt, which I've not done before.

I'm down for the challenge though :p

Oh and I've only had my legs shaved due to compromised sobriety and girls who thought it'd be funny... yeah, it wasn't and it's not.

As for drafting, I prefer to pull - I hate being behind people too close in the open country, let alone the city - I'm not used to riding in close quarters, so I'm fine with doing some work out front. Drafting unannounced hasn't really happened to me yet, but I've pulled a few buddies through town (places like across the Bloor/Danforth viaduct) which is cool by me. I ride inconsistent hours, and most of the riders I encounter are either way slower or don't seem to ride the same route for long enough, as I stick to the major arteries for my near-daily cross-town riding (Bloor/Danforth being the main drag). Drafting doesn't seem to make much sense to me in town unless it's hella windy, that's about the only thing that'll make me tuck in to the drops, I mostly ride on my hoods/tops.

Edit, the donut is more like 100km? Hmm, well I rode to Cambridge which is about 100kms, I got there in about 4 hours on platforms with a backpack and a few breaks along the way - what's the usual donut ride time? (Desperately trying to see if I'm able to save face and do this thing ;))

Decided to log my ride miles again, this time on my own rather than rely on stuff like routeslip.com (which went down last year for a while and I lost the habit of upkeep). Doing this for both distance analysis and maintenance tracking, as I realised I've no record of when I did work/changed stuff on the bike.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...A0-LT3hXT99DMA

wes - i thought delusions of grandeur were part of the fun! like when i hear a honking car from behind me i imagine that it's a team car following me on the pave. every kid at heart must have his imagination. oh, and the gps i got for xmas has told me lots of neat facts: 12.97kms to kensington and back with 397 calories burned. now i'm having a beer to compensate.

I got me a gps-toy too!

nice - what kind?

Garmin Edge 305. Saturday morning spin w/ Shamil: http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/4764671 :)

nice - i had one like that but traded it for a forerunner 201. essentially a bike computer with an altimeter and compass.

yar.. I think the forerunner / edge series are pretty similar, except the forerunner is more watch-style. There's an edge 205 as well, but I wanted the heartrate monitor feature, which it doesn't support.

There are a few cool sites that you can use to log/map rides, but they mostly seem to be a little buggy (or don't support my Mac), so I started using Garmin's own MotionBased service. They have software that runs on my laptop too, which I use to pull the data off the device, and which I can also use to set up routines for my indoor trainer. I used that feature for the first time this morning and it was pretty helpful. You just set up a series of 'steps' each with it's own "limiter" (time/distance/heartrate goal/etc) and "rule" (eg. keep heart rate / speed / cadence within a certain range). Obviously I have a separate speed/cadence sensor installed on my bike too as the gps doesn't work so well when you're inside and not technically moving. :)

i like the watch style. think i'm going to play around with the software too. my mom bought my day the etrek for fishing and figured i'd like the same one, even though it's more of a hiking / hunting device. i do appreciate that MEC sells a bike mount for both though. i was surprised that it works pretty well in the city too.

hehehehe

"The Black Jersey Returns
The Giro d'Italia will bring back the infamous Black Jersey in 2008 - the jersey signifying the rider in last place on GC.

The Maglia Nera will be black with white numbers. It was last handed out 57 years ago to none other than Giovanni Pinarello."

that jersey has quite a pedigree...it's about time they have a jersey for that (the tour has the lantern rouge). i think the worst rider in the giro still blows the average rider out of the water so i'd wear it with pride...

if there is one thing cycling is missing, it's more reasons to dope up

A debatable point :D

Depends. One of those frames is for me right?

I rode it around the shop actually. it was a 58. I was a little stretched out. Not so comfortable.

I'm really liking it so far. The people I work with are super nice which is the best part for sure. It's a pretty fun environment. The bikes are really nice and I'll probably get one because it's such a good deal/investment. On the other hand, it has helped me to think a little more practically about bikes. I want another steel track bike, with a nice tubeset, and geometry of my choosing. I think I'd be happy with that. I don't give a crap about the stiffest/lightest blah blah blah. Who cares. Seriously. Is all of that worth $6000? I don't think so. As I said I'm only considering getting one because I would get it for considerably less than that.

It's the middle of January. Everyone is on a dirty beater and you don't have to shave your legs with tights on.

So just keep making excuses. If a 45 year old poseur with 2 kids and a full time job can do it every Saturday and Sunday, including last week-end, then you young hot shots should have no problems.

Look forward to seeing you there.

And you can see all your co-workers from Cervelo including Gerard occasionally, but I guess they are elitist roadie scum too.

I don't think poseur is the right adjective here.

OMG it's JIT5, wow slime still can surface in the cold weather.

hahaha.. I *knew* talk of the donut ride would pull him from his slumber. Good times.