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somnambulant 04-17-08 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by exhibitx (Post 6536681)
rode behind a bike cop for about 1/4 of my ride home...

It's times like that where I wish I always rode with a camera within easy grasp.

cavit8 04-17-08 02:26 PM

Or a video camera

freecycle 04-17-08 02:35 PM

helmut cam!

krusty 04-17-08 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by exhibitx (Post 6536681)
...did not put 2 feet down at a stop sign, which they are 'safety blitz'ing...

Since someone mentioned this the other day, I have been searching (in vain) for a definition, or clarification of what a 'stop' is, either for a car or a bicycle in the HTA, and all of the associated RSOs. This is probably another city cash grab, like the drivers who flash their lights to warn of a speed trap being charged under a section of the HTA that does not apply.

freecycle 04-17-08 02:40 PM

i think the main thing to remember, is ride safe around cops, and if you cant see them ride fast enough so they cant catch up to you... but considering my luck with the cops in cars, not always the advice to go with :D

somnambulant 04-17-08 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by cavit8 (Post 6536932)
Or a video camera

Well yeah, most compact digicams do video these days.. :) Having one of those 'digital hero' thingies on my helmet at all times would work, also. Speaking of which...

*pokes andrew/phil for more footage*

I want to see some footage in the Don from one of those.

Flimflam 04-17-08 02:44 PM

I've got some raw footage that needs cutting, I have the snowy Critical Mass on 'film' amongst other stuff. Mounting it on the top tube seems to work out well, I just forget to bring the thing out with me all too often. I'll try and remember for the DSR rides in future - the Don... might have to pass that to Andrew, I don't bode well offroad (over cautious/slow) :p

It gets time consuming to keep the footage manageable when running it for all riding time, that and I'm lazy processing it all :p

garethlewis 04-17-08 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by somnambulant (Post 6531872)
ps. make sure you got bells on your bikes, y'alls. it's the no-bell prize time of the year.

hmmm - does this mean fines for not having one? is there a blitz on?

somnambulant 04-17-08 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by krusty (Post 6537016)
Since someone mentioned this the other day, I have been searching (in vain) for a definition, or clarification of what a 'stop' is, either for a car or a bicycle in the HTA, and all of the associated RSOs. This is probably another city cash grab, like the drivers who flash their lights to warn of a speed trap being charged under a section of the HTA that does not apply.

Stop at through highway

136. (1) Every driver or street car operator approaching a stop sign at an intersection,

(a) shall stop his or her vehicle or street car at a marked stop line or, if none, then immediately before entering the nearest crosswalk or, if none, then immediately before entering the intersection; and

(b) shall yield the right of way to traffic in the intersection or approaching the intersection on another highway so closely that to proceed would constitute an immediate hazard and, having so yielded the right of way, may proceed.

freecycle 04-17-08 02:45 PM

nothing about two feet down there!

somnambulant 04-17-08 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by garethlewis (Post 6537071)
hmmm - does this mean fines for not having one? is there a blitz on?

Yes and yes. The fine is something like $110 or something outrageous like that as well (correct me if I'm wrong).

freecycle 04-17-08 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by somnambulant (Post 6537079)
Yes and yes. The fine is something like $110 or something outrageous like that as well (correct me if I'm wrong).

when did a stupid dinging noise save your ass more than screaming at the top of you lungs?

its a silly law.

somnambulant 04-17-08 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by freecycle (Post 6537093)
when did a stupid dinging noise save your ass more than screaming at the top of you lungs?

its a silly law.

Exactly what I've always said. However, I did throw a little bell on my bike this morning, just in case. $2 < $110. The worst thing is that it makes a noise with every single little crack and imperfection in the road. It's making me insane! :P

But yeah, silly or not, it can still cost you money. Better safe than sorry.

garethlewis 04-17-08 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by somnambulant (Post 6537108)
But yeah, silly or not, it can still cost you money. Better safe than sorry.

i (unfortunately) have to agree...

what are the odds i'm going to be stopped on my 5 minute ride home tonight now i've discussed this...

somnambulant 04-17-08 03:00 PM

just behave yourself. I highly doubt they'd stop someone JUST for the bell. It's usually a combo-deal of running a stop sign / red light, or some other infraction. Trust me, I even came to a complete stop at the stop sign T-intersection on St. George St Northbound at lunch today. Of course, some girls thought I was stopping just to let them cross the street too.. *cough*

krusty 04-17-08 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by somnambulant (Post 6537072)
Stop at through highway

136. (1) Every driver or street car operator approaching a stop sign at an intersection,

(a) shall stop his or her vehicle or street car at a marked stop line or, if none, then immediately before entering the nearest crosswalk or, if none, then immediately before entering the intersection; and

(b) shall yield the right of way to traffic in the intersection or approaching the intersection on another highway so closely that to proceed would constitute an immediate hazard and, having so yielded the right of way, may proceed.

Right, that's all I found too. The generally accepted definition in court in the past has been (for a car) that all 4 wheels must stop rotating, and for a motorcycle, one foot must touch pavement co-incident with the wheels ceasing rotation (m-cycle has a foot-operated back brake, hence the single foot). It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to insist that bicycles do something unnecessary to even a motor vehicle, and without a written definition either. But that's our city cops for you. I have witnessed them doing some frightening things to people (beatings) in the recent past, as well as witnessed one stealing money from a woman downtown. If they want my respect, they're going to have to work a lot harder to earn it.

pyze-guy 04-17-08 03:51 PM

Question for those who ride crossbikes. Are cross tires closer to road or mtb tires on the pavement? And on trails like the Don is it noticibly different on the skinnier cross tires over mtbs?

kergin 04-17-08 03:57 PM

Funny you should mention that blitz... I'm fighting the tickets I got yesterday, and I've already gone down to 137 Edward. I need to let 10 days elapse for the tickets to come into the system, but 9 days from today, I'm going to see the prosecutor and JP. I'll likely come out ok, too. Some problems with my "tickets"

1. Failure to identify vehicle type as "bicycle"
2. Failure to write down proper date of birth. (he had my freaking birth cert in front of him)
3. Indicated a motor vehicle was involved. (none was)
4. Recorded area of infraction does not exist.
5. Officer initially failed to identify himself as a cop. Pro-tip: yelling stop doesn't mean jack, unless I know who's asking.

On my way back from the filing center, I asked a meter maid about the errors, and she was pretty confident that any errors on the ticket would void it. We'll see...

operator 04-17-08 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by somnambulant (Post 6537034)
Well yeah, most compact digicams do video these days.. :) Having one of those 'digital hero' thingies on my helmet at all times would work, also. Speaking of which...

*pokes andrew/phil for more footage*

I want to see some footage in the Don from one of those.

I just bought a helmet hero 3. Was scratching my head on how to mount it to my handlebars and realized that it was a seperate ($20) mount to use it.

I said **** you and got a spare light mount and superglued the flat mount to the bracket. Presto, change-o handlebar mount for about $3. Next time it's going to film the donut.

P.S T.J. Do you get thos horrible engine soundy noise in Lo/Hi audio mode? Even if it's dead silent and I record, I get this garbage on the audio stream on a vid record. Any ideas?


Originally Posted by kergin (Post 6537447)
5. Officer initially failed to identify himself as a cop. Pro-tip: yelling stop doesn't mean jack, unless I know who's asking.

Funny you even bothered stopping. I ignore all sorts of **** now. Honking, yelling, cursing, engine revving. And especially if someone yells stop without identifying himself. Last time I got nailed for a ticket, my court date was like 12 months later.

cavit8 04-17-08 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by kergin (Post 6537447)
Funny you should mention that blitz... I'm fighting the tickets I got yesterday, and I've already gone down to 137 Edward. I need to let 10 days elapse for the tickets to come into the system, but 9 days from today, I'm going to see the prosecutor and JP. I'll likely come out ok, too. Some problems with my "tickets"

1. Failure to identify vehicle type as "bicycle"
2. Failure to write down proper date of birth. (he had my freaking birth cert in front of him)
3. Indicated a motor vehicle was involved. (none was)
4. Recorded area of infraction does not exist.
5. Officer initially failed to identify himself as a cop. Pro-tip: yelling stop doesn't mean jack, unless I know who's asking.

On my way back from the filing center, I asked a meter maid about the errors, and she was pretty confident that any errors on the ticket would void it. We'll see...


Number 1 is the classic as to how people get dinged for points off their licence, which can't be deducted for infractions on a bicycle.

oceanfx 04-17-08 06:25 PM

Speaking of the law...

I got hit with an improper streetcar passing about two weeks ago, on a day when there were about 10298651092837430 bike cops in the core. Does anyone know if you can still file a notice of intention to appear before court (plead innocent) after 15 days?

cavernmech 04-17-08 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by somnambulant (Post 6534722)
Oh, btw. I'm off this Monday and I'll likely be looking to go on a nice easy post-PA spin. I know you often post about riding on Mondays so I thought I'd mention it. :)

I don't have to be in till 12 on Monday. If you don't mind a morning cruise I'm in.

somnambulant 04-17-08 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by cavernmech (Post 6538192)
I don't have to be in till 12 on Monday. If you don't mind a morning cruise I'm in.

Word.

shapelike 04-17-08 09:12 PM

I'm "off" tomorrow ... probably heading to the Don at some point.

PS.
Cog #1, shallow teeth, ramped and flexy (to the tune of Crash Into the Bushes)
Cog #2, 1/8" my ass! Too wide and didn't fit the spec'd chain. I wasn't willing to run a 3/16" chain w/ a 3/32" ring
Cog #3, I should have known better. Pulling a cog off a 7sp cassette = using a part waaay beyond what it was designed for (I ripped a tooth off the cog)
Cog #4, hopefully on the way from Misfit Psycles on Monday ...

TRaffic Jammer 04-18-08 05:57 AM

I too am mired in dante's unwritten level of hell reserved for ppl with hours of uneditted video. 500G HD's hold alot of footage. I do have some killer software I need to learn (final cut pro/after effects) Re: the Digital Hero... sound... SUX... night time filming... also SUX, but with lights/editting trickery some neat shots are possible. I used a .99 clamp from home depot to make a fork/frame mount. The effect of having the cam at bumper height is quite dramatic... I too am suffering from keeps-forgetting-to-charge-batteries-an-just-gitn'rdone. I wish I'd brought it yesterday. Where are these officers blitzing? Aside from seeing a parade of bike cops leaving the greasy spoon near daughter's school, I've seen nothing. I have no bell. *looks worried*


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