There are wet suits and then dry suits, both made from neoprene I believe. Surfers aren't wearing dry suits and those are neoprene. A wet suit keeps you warm in the wet, a dry suit keeps you dry.

alright, well then I'll just change my answer to "I like my nylon/packcloth/whatever booties because they keep my feet dry". I've never owned neoprene shoe covers, but I had neoprene socks once and they were not waterproof in any way, maybe that just tainted my mind.

Neoprene isn't waterproof. The cells in the rubber hold water next to your body and prevents it from moving so your heat transfer is less than it would be on bare skin so there's no filtering per se, at least not at a rate that's noticeable. If you do any cold water diving, you pour hot water on your neoprene first in order to warm it up before you get into it. Diving in cold water in a dry wetsuit is a bad idea.

Some neoprene boots are coated, I think. Mine arent'. I wear neoprene socks in my sandals in the winter with another neoprene boot overtop if it's really chilly willy. I may have a nylon pair of covers kicking around which are only really good for blocking the wind and slush goo. You'll still need something to keep your piggies warm.

Similar on riding up Mt. Pleasant. You can get some creepy fast traffic. If you want an uninterrupted ascent, Poplar Plains road is a better option. You can go across Roxborough without too much trouble from Rosedale and pick it up at Dupont and Forest Hill is right there pretty much. Or come up Rosedale Valley Road, cross Yonge at Belmont and hit onto Davenport. There's bike lanes most of the way if memory serves.

A dry suit does indeed keep you dry, a wetsuit not.

well theres open cell and closed cell and a bunch of different thicknesses. Anything closed cell will be waterproof, and anything thick will be pretty waterproof as well (assuming you're not diving with its associated water pressure). I'd imagine your socks were open cell and thin, because wearing a thick closed cell neoprene sock would be brutal.

I have a neoprene jersey..... awesome when it's wet..it still keeps me warm.
Nice rain for my 2:45 appt at Women's College, ewww. wet feet. Least I have my rain gear now.... *checks closet where he hung it yeasterday*

Hey what happens if you race your bike around a cemetary? (Day or night)

I give ...what?

you hit a tomb stone and crack your skull ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I had neo booties and they sucked so I use highway construction boots in the winter that have the reflective white strips on them and I use gaterskins to keep the slush from going in the top of the boots and they also keep the wind from freezing my shins

for ghetto messenger fix.... steal a pair of galoshes (high cut with zippers) that permeate every corporate floor, near the elevators, cut a hole for your cleats, ride looking like a clown but you are dry.

but are they SPD compatible?

and there is no answer to the cemetary thing, I just wondered if they would get pissed at you
https://www.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&...21458&t=h&om=1

In Mt. Pleasant cemetary are four of the six roundabouts that I know of in Toronto. Great for Keirin. But I have no idea what cemetary groundspeople are like to trespassers as I never went through a goth stage in high school. Beautiful, fun and varied place to ride though, and I'm sure we won't disturb the dead.

hahahahah youre right...thats a great place to ride...watch out for the evil spirits tho...

I've seen people riding through there...my wife and I have sat there on occasion. You can ride all through the cemetery. I don't know dude, while it might be a perfect spot in terms of quiet but some of it is still open to traffic. Not sure how keen on that I'd be.

Hey!

It was an invitation. I don't need you screwing around with the route. Mt. Pleasnt is fine allows a quick detour through Moore Park. If you are scare of a little traffic stay home. Just trying to be friendly.

Might have even sprung for the croissants.

traffic dodging keirin...or obstacle keirin...

Cut the hole in the bottom and yes they are. I'm not comfy racing around the cemetery.

hahahahaha me either...that could get hairy...

edit: Timberland needs to make spd compatible boots!

Oddly enough coming from me it's about respect. With all the silliness we get up to sitting around I wouldn't want to be drinkin' beers and smokin' there. Not for fear of anyone but just out of simple respect for the dead and/or any visitors coming to visit loved ones. If you had asked me pre-kids the answer would have been "When do we go?"

Hahaha.. I could do some macho posturing here but theres really no point. Suffice to say, if traffic on Mt. Pleasant doesn't scare you, you're crazy. Its easy to avoid. Thanks for trying to be friendly chum...

I was actually referring to Steeker's construction boots.







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No one was trying to mess with your route. Thanks for the invite.

heeheee to Shiz..... that would be a hard hole to cut.

Posturing?

How come I don't see you at weekly crits or O-Cup races?

How about group training rides?

500 pages, maybe you prefer to just chat about cycling while the rest of us are actually logging the hard miles and racing to actually test ourselves. Instead of cruising for dim sum in chinatown.

I ride through Mt.Pleasant Cemetary everyday.
Racing in the autumn theres going to be wet leaves.
It makes cornering at highspeeds dangerous.
It would be fun but the roads aren't THAT great..

Besides its a place for dead people.

Are you reacting to an internet post? He said he wasn't going to engage in posturing.... drop it.
After that it was all wha wha whawhawha ....

exactly what I mean

traffic jammer and I and the older guy's have put more miles on the road than you so be nice maybe after you ride 10 more years you could say other wise

The alternate route was a suggestion as an alternate. Sorry it disturbed your karma. So when were you planning on doing your training ride and where are you meeting?