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07-17-15, 06:51 PM
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Hey, thanks for the bar tape, @rpenmanparker!!!
Now I can put drop bars back on the Free Spirit. It's had bullhorns for a while but I never warmed up to them, and the tape that's on 'em is on its last leg.
Now I can put drop bars back on the Free Spirit. It's had bullhorns for a while but I never warmed up to them, and the tape that's on 'em is on its last leg.
07-17-15, 07:18 PM
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I am sorry, but the logic here continues to escape me. Are tubeless tyres worth the high cost if you feel that you have to ride beyond the wear indicators?
If I do any sort of high-speed descending, and where I live, there is a good chance of that on every ride, I want to know that the tyres under me aren't edging closer ever more rapidly to blow-out condition.
I've also done the trick of putting the front tyre on the rear. But I found that only meant I had to replace the rear tyre quicker than if I had put on a fresh, new tyre.
And aren't you about the lay down thousands for a new TT bike? Maybe you should spend some of that one new back-up sets of tyres for the other bikes you already have.
If I do any sort of high-speed descending, and where I live, there is a good chance of that on every ride, I want to know that the tyres under me aren't edging closer ever more rapidly to blow-out condition.
I've also done the trick of putting the front tyre on the rear. But I found that only meant I had to replace the rear tyre quicker than if I had put on a fresh, new tyre.
And aren't you about the lay down thousands for a new TT bike? Maybe you should spend some of that one new back-up sets of tyres for the other bikes you already have.
And yes, I actually do have back-up tires on hand for the current bikes, which makes it very easy to swap the tires out whenever I choose to do so.
No one is suggesting riding a tire that is dangerous. The question was "do you change the tire when the wear indicator is gone, or can you go beyond that if the tires otherwise seem to be in good shape, and if so what do you use to tell you when to change the tire?" It would be sufficient for you to reply that you think it's safest to replace the tires when the wear indicator is gone without the judgmental bits.
And @Rowan, may I ask how many bikes you have and how many thousands you have paid for them? Far more bikes than I and far more thousands. And who was it that recently commented that replacing tires on multiple bikes is expensive? Oh yeah, that was you too.
Its a legitimate question and I actually got a legitimate answer from my friend who I contacted earlier today. But thanks for your input, as always.
07-17-15, 07:43 PM
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07-17-15, 07:45 PM
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I bought the TT bike. It was my least expensive bicycle purchase yet actually.
And yes, I actually do have back-up tires on hand for the current bikes, which makes it very easy to swap the tires out whenever I choose to do so.
No one is suggesting riding a tire that is dangerous. The question was "do you change the tire when the wear indicator is gone, or can you go beyond that if the tires otherwise seem to be in good shape, and if so what do you use to tell you when to change the tire?" It would be sufficient for you to reply that you think it's safest to replace the tires when the wear indicator is gone without the judgmental bits.
And @Rowan, may I ask how many bikes you have and how many thousands you have paid for them? Far more bikes than I and far more thousands. And who was it that recently commented that replacing tires on multiple bikes is expensive? Oh yeah, that was you too.
Its a legitimate question and I actually got a legitimate answer from my friend who I contacted earlier today. But thanks for your input, as always.
And yes, I actually do have back-up tires on hand for the current bikes, which makes it very easy to swap the tires out whenever I choose to do so.
No one is suggesting riding a tire that is dangerous. The question was "do you change the tire when the wear indicator is gone, or can you go beyond that if the tires otherwise seem to be in good shape, and if so what do you use to tell you when to change the tire?" It would be sufficient for you to reply that you think it's safest to replace the tires when the wear indicator is gone without the judgmental bits.
And @Rowan, may I ask how many bikes you have and how many thousands you have paid for them? Far more bikes than I and far more thousands. And who was it that recently commented that replacing tires on multiple bikes is expensive? Oh yeah, that was you too.
Its a legitimate question and I actually got a legitimate answer from my friend who I contacted earlier today. But thanks for your input, as always.
But now I have been well and truly put back in my box, I will let the subject go.
07-17-15, 07:47 PM
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I tried swapping tires, rear to front, but the steering was sort of freaky due to the "squaring" of the rear tire. Made handling kind of goofy.
BTW, I'm pretty sure that Sheldon Brown wrote a piece on why not to swap used tires back and forth.
BTW, I'm pretty sure that Sheldon Brown wrote a piece on why not to swap used tires back and forth.
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07-17-15, 07:48 PM
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So much for my ride today...About five minutes prior to my departure Father In Law, 93, decided to do something he shouldn't, of course against repeated advise not to, and he managed to lose his balance and lacerate his forearm.
It was an episode of Archie & Meathead go to the ER.
32 stitches. Capo dost. Testa dura.
It was an episode of Archie & Meathead go to the ER.
32 stitches. Capo dost. Testa dura.
07-17-15, 07:51 PM
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Rear tire to trash. Front tire to rear. New tire to front.
07-17-15, 07:53 PM
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Tomorrow I was planning on heading east to scout a TT course that I'm going to be riding in the fall. Then afterward, I was going to take the MB on a nice jaunt up in the mountains, a really beautiful route that I put together for the momentous occasion of MBs 10,000th mile. These two rides were to be in the vicinity of the Cajon Pass, which is currently on fire. It's confusing, but I think the fire started on the 15 freeway and then spread to the adjacent hills. Multiple vehicles have burned, a "multiple causality event" and there is a 2000 acre wildfire as a result. Lots of resources focused of course on getting the vehicle fires out and getting to people who were trapped in their cars, so I'm not sure how quickly they'll get the wildfire out. Not looking like my ride is going to happen. Good news is that there's a chance of rain tomorrow around there.
So not sure what I'm going to do tomorrow. Some friends are riding at the coast, I could do that. One of my Nightcrawler friends is doing a nice ride locally too. And there's an epic climbfest I could do in a similar area to where I rode last week. Hmm.
07-17-15, 07:58 PM
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My answers and observations are entirely legitimate. You had a friend end up in hospital with serious injuries as a result of a catastrophic failure of a front tyre. All I am doing is suggesting that, because your tyres are your only contact with the road and failure can be dangerous, taking measures to mitigate the risks, such as observing the disappearance of wear indicators and replacing those tyres, might be a good idea.
But now I have been well and truly put back in my box, I will let the subject go.
But now I have been well and truly put back in my box, I will let the subject go.
You know that you are someone who's opinion I respect, so saying that you think its safest to replace the tires when the wear indicator is gone would have been truly been sufficient. Bundling it along with the other comments was just unnecessary IMO. You may call my response putting you in your box, I guess I see it as speaking up for myself.
But again, apologies if you were not meaning to be judgmental. People don't always come across on the internet as they intended. That type of thing is a two way street, for sure.
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I don't think anybody here was suggesting that a worn rear tire should be moved to the front wheel.
07-17-15, 07:59 PM
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07-17-15, 08:13 PM
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I did recently put a well used Michelin Counrty Rock on a front rim, however. Have put about 500 miles on it since. You don't really notice the squared-offness much on those tyres.
Center area of tread is still thicker than a brand new road tire, also.
Center area of tread is still thicker than a brand new road tire, also.
07-17-15, 08:13 PM
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Me too.
However, substitute ride has been organized. Taking the Sparrow instead of the MB. It will be mile 1000 in Sparrow, sad that its only 1000 miles when I've had that bike over a year already. Poor neglected Sparrow. Neglected no more however, between the Di2 and borrowing the MB wheels.
However, substitute ride has been organized. Taking the Sparrow instead of the MB. It will be mile 1000 in Sparrow, sad that its only 1000 miles when I've had that bike over a year already. Poor neglected Sparrow. Neglected no more however, between the Di2 and borrowing the MB wheels.
07-17-15, 08:16 PM
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Me too.
However, substitute ride has been organized. Taking the Sparrow instead of the MB. It will be mile 1000 in Sparrow, sad that its only 1000 miles when I've had that bike over a year already. Poor neglected Sparrow. Neglected no more however, between the Di2 and borrowing the MB wheels.
However, substitute ride has been organized. Taking the Sparrow instead of the MB. It will be mile 1000 in Sparrow, sad that its only 1000 miles when I've had that bike over a year already. Poor neglected Sparrow. Neglected no more however, between the Di2 and borrowing the MB wheels.
07-17-15, 08:22 PM
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Well, my apologies if I saw your post in the wrong light. I guess the comments about the number of bikes I have and how much I have spent on them and the suggestion that I put some of the money into new tires just struck me as judgmental.
You know that you are someone who's opinion I respect, so saying that you think its safest to replace the tires when the wear indicator is gone would have been truly been sufficient. Bundling it along with the other comments was just unnecessary IMO. You may call my response putting you in your box, I guess I see it as speaking up for myself.
But again, apologies if you were not meaning to be judgmental. People don't always come across on the internet as they intended. That type of thing is a two way street, for sure.
You know that you are someone who's opinion I respect, so saying that you think its safest to replace the tires when the wear indicator is gone would have been truly been sufficient. Bundling it along with the other comments was just unnecessary IMO. You may call my response putting you in your box, I guess I see it as speaking up for myself.
But again, apologies if you were not meaning to be judgmental. People don't always come across on the internet as they intended. That type of thing is a two way street, for sure.
But it's this prevailing sentiment in cycling generally that people will spend a lot of money on a bike, then become pennypinchers in trying to eke out the last little bit from their consumables, such as tyres, brake pads and cables (sorry, I will offend datlas here too) when the comparative cost of those items should not really be that big a deal.
Yeah, sure I have a couple of nice bikes, but I thought about them and bought the parts progressively to build them up. The tandem was different, and of course that was a split cost. The Bike Fridays I wanted to build up from a frame only, but BF won't supply them like that.
We have about 40 new tyres kicking around the garage, and I won't compromise on them when it comes to the replacing them. And I have moved away from brands and models that have caused problems. I will admit to wearing down some road tyres to the threads, but I don't do that anymore unless I am not observant enough.
In long events, I want to maximise my chances of finishing without a major mechanical; and one on a tour in remote areas can be a real pain. Especially when doing 50mph downhill, into a corner with steel barriers.
Plus, and this is the biggie... I have more than my life and welfare to worry about. I build and maintain Machka's bikes, too.
07-17-15, 08:27 PM
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I am sorry, but the logic here continues to escape me. Are tubeless tyres worth the high cost if you feel that you have to ride beyond the wear indicators?
If I do any sort of high-speed descending, and where I live, there is a good chance of that on every ride, I want to know that the tyres under me aren't edging closer ever more rapidly to blow-out condition.
I've also done the trick of putting the front tyre on the rear. But I found that only meant I had to replace the rear tyre quicker than if I had put on a fresh, new tyre.
And aren't you about the lay down thousands for a new TT bike? Maybe you should spend some of that one new back-up sets of tyres for the other bikes you already have.
If I do any sort of high-speed descending, and where I live, there is a good chance of that on every ride, I want to know that the tyres under me aren't edging closer ever more rapidly to blow-out condition.
I've also done the trick of putting the front tyre on the rear. But I found that only meant I had to replace the rear tyre quicker than if I had put on a fresh, new tyre.
And aren't you about the lay down thousands for a new TT bike? Maybe you should spend some of that one new back-up sets of tyres for the other bikes you already have.
Tubeless are inherently safer than tubed, even when at their end of service life. it's nearly impossible to unseat them from the rim, they still seal just fine, but you'll begin to experience a rash of punctures.
For me I spend about $180 a year on tires and $30~ in sealant. That figure includes ruining a tire prematurely, something I'm good at...
07-17-15, 08:27 PM
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I bought the TT bike. It was my least expensive bicycle purchase yet actually.
And yes, I actually do have back-up tires on hand for the current bikes, which makes it very easy to swap the tires out whenever I choose to do so.
No one is suggesting riding a tire that is dangerous. The question was "do you change the tire when the wear indicator is gone, or can you go beyond that if the tires otherwise seem to be in good shape, and if so what do you use to tell you when to change the tire?"
And yes, I actually do have back-up tires on hand for the current bikes, which makes it very easy to swap the tires out whenever I choose to do so.
No one is suggesting riding a tire that is dangerous. The question was "do you change the tire when the wear indicator is gone, or can you go beyond that if the tires otherwise seem to be in good shape, and if so what do you use to tell you when to change the tire?"
ETA:
If it was tubeless though, I'd probably be loath to remount it just to get that last 500 miles out of it, no matter how many times I hear people say mounting tubeless is NBD
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07-17-15, 08:38 PM
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Oof. Whut you do?
I coulda cauterized him with my discs...
He's feeling suitably chagrined. I caught the ol' buzzard trying to move a 14000btu air conditioner by himself...
I coulda cauterized him with my discs...
He's feeling suitably chagrined. I caught the ol' buzzard trying to move a 14000btu air conditioner by himself...
07-17-15, 08:39 PM
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Undiluted Palmolive and some canvas gardening gloves are your friend. Start opposite the valve stem, yada, yada, yada...It's one of those things that can be much harder than necessary.
07-17-15, 08:44 PM
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I'd probably get back from my gigantic bike ride, see the icky, nearly worn out tire lying on the garage floor and get really grumpy about it. "What the hell is this still doing here?" then huck it into the street!
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It's not you, really, Heathpack.
But it's this prevailing sentiment in cycling generally that people will spend a lot of money on a bike, then become pennypinchers in trying to eke out the last little bit from their consumables, such as tyres, brake pads and cables (sorry, I will offend datlas here too) when the comparative cost of those items should not really be that big a deal.
Yeah, sure I have a couple of nice bikes, but I thought about them and bought the parts progressively to build them up. The tandem was different, and of course that was a split cost. The Bike Fridays I wanted to build up from a frame only, but BF won't supply them like that.
We have about 40 new tyres kicking around the garage, and I won't compromise on them when it comes to the replacing them. And I have moved away from brands and models that have caused problems. I will admit to wearing down some road tyres to the threads, but I don't do that anymore unless I am not observant enough.
In long events, I want to maximise my chances of finishing without a major mechanical; and one on a tour in remote areas can be a real pain. Especially when doing 50mph downhill, into a corner with steel barriers.
Plus, and this is the biggie... I have more than my life and welfare to worry about. I build and maintain Machka's bikes, too.
But it's this prevailing sentiment in cycling generally that people will spend a lot of money on a bike, then become pennypinchers in trying to eke out the last little bit from their consumables, such as tyres, brake pads and cables (sorry, I will offend datlas here too) when the comparative cost of those items should not really be that big a deal.
Yeah, sure I have a couple of nice bikes, but I thought about them and bought the parts progressively to build them up. The tandem was different, and of course that was a split cost. The Bike Fridays I wanted to build up from a frame only, but BF won't supply them like that.
We have about 40 new tyres kicking around the garage, and I won't compromise on them when it comes to the replacing them. And I have moved away from brands and models that have caused problems. I will admit to wearing down some road tyres to the threads, but I don't do that anymore unless I am not observant enough.
In long events, I want to maximise my chances of finishing without a major mechanical; and one on a tour in remote areas can be a real pain. Especially when doing 50mph downhill, into a corner with steel barriers.
Plus, and this is the biggie... I have more than my life and welfare to worry about. I build and maintain Machka's bikes, too.
I don't care one iota how many bikes you have or how much you spent on them. You like bikes, you ride them, and I have enough respect for you that I assume you have your financial house in order sufficiently to afford what you have. Guess what? Me too. All those things.
I have expensive tires because I fully appreciate that good stuff can save your life and if I'm going to spend $ anywhere, tires are a good place to spend them, I see no reason to buy cheapo tires. That said, I don't think you have to have expensive tires in order to be safe. It's just one factor in the tires I've chosen to use.
I also agree that it's more important to have good stuff in good repair on major rides, especially if you're riding with a group of people. Guess what? I've never had a mechanical of any kind on a major event ride.
So you're preaching to the converted on almost all your philosophical points. I was just asking a simple question as to what the wear indicators are telling me: change the tires now vs start watching more closely for wear. Again, I honestly don't care. You didn't mean to me snarky and I didn't mean to put you in your box. It's behind us, as far as I'm concerned.
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You mean as far as getting beads on the rim is concerned? I can see that. I've mounted some crazy tight tire/rim combos in the realm of the tubed.
The worst I've had are some of the 8" and 10" scooter tires on one piece wheels. Uggh.