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Old 08-11-16, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan333SP
The fitter who works in the shop I ride with usually asks people to try to ride in the drops, and then let go with their hands but still hold the same body position while pedaling for ~10 seconds or so.

If they can't do it, they're too low or their core needs a lot of work.

Obviously not a one-size-fits-all approach, but it's an interesting rule of thumb.
You mean on a trainer, right? It is almost impossible to ride no hands in such a forward position. I mean balance, not core support.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
So answer this: do track and field competitors do anything comparable to swimmers while waiting to take their marks?
Yes, they do, it's called stretching. While it may look odd/crazy, they are stretching one last time before the race.
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Maybe I'll Strava my hall walk this morning. It's my first walk in two weeks so I should get a PR.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
So answer this: do track and field competitors do anything comparable to swimmers while waiting to take their marks?
A lot of them do, actually.

There's an easy on the eyes female hurdler named Michelle Jenneke who does a little shake out/dance thing before her races, you can look it up, I'm sure there are youtube videos with 5 million views of it.

EDIT: More like 28 million views. Stay classy, youtube.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
You mean on a trainer, right? It is almost impossible to ride no hands in such a forward position. I mean balance, not core support.
On a trainer, yes. On the road you can test that too, just keep fingertip pressure on the bar ends to continue in a straight line but take all weight off the wrists and try to hold yourself level with core strength.
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Don't powerslide through the intersection.
I just completed the 3 meter hospital room steeplechase as I dashed from the recliner to the commode by way of around the bad and carrying my chest tube pump in left hand and and pushing my iv with right. No medal, but no mess to clean up, either. I consider that a remarkable achievement.

Similar maneuver about 4 am resulted in an iv explosion/ejection/removal.
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Originally Posted by Trsnrtr
I just completed the 3 meter hospital room steeplechase as I dashed from the recliner to the commode by way of around the bad and carrying my chest tube pump in left hand and and pushing my iv with right. No medal, but no mess to clean up, either. I consider that a remarkable achievement.

Similar maneuver about 4 am resulted in an iv explosion/ejection/removal.
What is the prognosis for escape from Alcatraz?
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Originally Posted by Dan333SP
You can get those rolling IV dollies into a pretty good 4 wheel drift
Unless you wind the tubing around you along with your chest tube drain.
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Originally Posted by Dan333SP
A lot of them do, actually.

There's an easy on the eyes female hurdler named Michelle Jenneke who does a little shake out/dance thing before her races, you can look it up, I'm sure there are youtube videos with 5 million views of it.

EDIT: More like 28 million views. Stay classy, youtube.
Reported for not embedding video of Jenneke.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Reported for not embedding video of Jenneke.
It's Dan, you should expect fail.
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Originally Posted by Doug28450
It's Dan, you should expect fail.
Is Dan the punching bag this month? I thought it was still Pepe... This thread does move too fast, sometimes.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Is Dan the punching bag this month? I thought it was still Pepe... This thread does move too fast, sometimes.
It's still Pepe, but in his absence Dan is the stand-in.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Reported for not embedding video of Jenneke.
Let me google that for you
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Originally Posted by Doug28450
It's still Pepe, but in his absence Dan is the stand-in.
Repor...

Never mind.
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@PepeM is the best! He doesn't make us click links for snarky searches - he gives us looping gifs! Be a Pepe, not a Dan.
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@PepeM is the best! He doesn't make us click links for snarky searches - he gives us looping gifs! Be a Pepe, not a Dan.
Pepe may have moved up.
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Originally Posted by Doug28450
What is the prognosis for escape from Alcatraz?
Still have a chest cavity drain. I'm hoping maybe I can go home if It gets removed. Nurse just came into redress the opening so it must not be coming out in the near future.
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Originally Posted by WalksOn2Wheels
In regards to gymnastics, I was not aware of the scoring change, but have noticed how the coverage of the U.S. Women's team has focused on their ability to put more total elements into their routines.

And the Phelps thing: I don't see how someone could say that. I'm not a swimmer so I don't really know (Perhaps our resident officiator can comment) but it seems to me like it would be just the opposite. You have to be a very complete athlete to compete in multiple events. Phelps getting multiple medals for multiple events is the same as a track and field star getting multiple medals for multiple events and would also be similar to someone like Wiggins who has excelled at road, TT, and track events through the course of his career. The fact that Phelps can medal in multiple events would appear to lend him more credibility as a dominate swimmer, period.
He's a dominant swimmer. There are still a lot more swimming events available, total (and at relatively similar distances), than exist in other disciplines. There's one TT, not a stack from 10k -> 100k. You can do multiple track running events, but there's nothing like the number of total swimming medals available. That doesn't mean Phelps isn't awesome, but it's about more than medal counts, period.
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The best part is the girl behind her checking out her butt... twice.
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Originally Posted by Dan333SP
EDIT: More like 28 million views. Stay classy, youtube.
Oh yes, I remember the days when YouTube was filled with the best and brightest the world had to offer, and the comments were routinely filled with discussions on engineering, science, and civil political discourse.
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Originally Posted by PepeM
I already know my FTP (also, FTP tests hurt.) As for intervals, I'll probably stick to TrainerRoad for that, as from what I read Zwift cannot control the resistance based on my PM, which apparently TrainerRoad can.
Yeah, but the smart trainer's power meter is going to be a little different, and then you have to figure that your indoor FTP is different from your outdoor FTP (as @Heathpack says). I think you'll still get the best zone mapping in zwift if you do their FTP test on the actual equipment you'll be using to ride zwift.

Zwift intervals are cool enough to try it out, even if you've got TrainerRoad.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
He's a dominant swimmer. There are still a lot more swimming events available, total (and at relatively similar distances), than exist in other disciplines. There's one TT, not a stack from 10k -> 100k. You can do multiple track running events, but there's nothing like the number of total swimming medals available. That doesn't mean Phelps isn't awesome, but it's about more than medal counts, period.
I guess looking over the other comments regarding Phelps, there was more of a distinction of him being the greatest olympian vs. the greatest olympic swimmer. I don't think you can just label him the greatest olympian for lots of reasons. As you and others have said, you just can't compare across sports like that. You would almost have to have someone that medaled across multiple "classic" disciplines for someone to earn that title. Like if a person could manage to medal in swimming, track, and gymnastics, then you might have an argument for that person being the greatest olympian. But is Phelps one of the greatest swimmers? Perhaps worthy of GOAT status in that discipline? Probably.

And like I said, I'm not a swimmer, so I don't have a knowledgeable comparison of how much the individual events vary. Like you said, there is one cycling TT event, not several in stacked distances. But even there, you would have to be a very complete cyclist to do something like an hour long TT effort and also dominate in much shorter distances. A sprinter would naturally do better in a half hour flat TT where a cyclist who can pace himself really well would do better over an hour or more on a hilly course.

For example, there was the case of Ledecky swimming the 200m which was apparently not her strong suit because she does better on the 400 and 800. But even there she won the gold, so that lends more weight to the argument that I'm talking out of my ass.

I don't know. I just feel like in swimming alone, it's not a hard argument to say he's the greatest. But to look only at the medal count and say he's the greatest olympian? Yeah, that's silly.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
You mean on a trainer, right? It is almost impossible to ride no hands in such a forward position. I mean balance, not core support.
If you just take your hands off the drops, your weight should be in basically the same position, no?
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Ah, hell - let's just say that Jim Thorpe is the best and leave it at that.
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