the 41 gets worse everytime I look at it. And the worst part is, it's not even pcads fault.

Whatchu tryin' to imply here? :P

Don't worry, it's not you either.

:roflmao2::roflmao2::roflmao2::roflmao2::roflmao2::roflmao2:

i think the stats is appalling here too about finding your own country on a map

i'm getting no response from the brain trust that is mechanics forum on a mechanical query. I wonder if i might get a sensible answer from the idiots of the road forum.

Oh Laaaawd!! :eek:

whats your question?

do you have a spacer between the last sprocket and the lockring? the tech document says there should be one but i dont on a new cassette and on my other bike i looked and there isn't one and i don't remember ever putting one on hen i built it.

Still, I blame myself.

Depends. A 9 speed or lower. no spacer. If its a ten speed yes you should have a spacer but I have seen it workwithout one. But to do it correct it should have it.

edit;
Wow, reading comprehension fail.
There is a tin shim stock type washer that deforms between lock ring and casette but I dont think it is needed I only have it on one bike.
I thought yoou meant the one between the big cog and the inside of the freehub.

Oh boy.

yeah the first one that goes on before any sprocket is there. i've never seen the one between lockring and sprocket but it is in all the tech docs. I'm confused.

we all do. i blame you for the greece riots today.

Thats just the ocd talking.

dont be I think it is just there to keep the lock ring and the cog from grinding on eachother when tightening and loosening, kind of sacraficial metal. After about 5 changes mine is usually toast, and I pitch it. Its like thick foil but of stiffer/harder metal, like shim stock in a machine shop.

well if it isn't important then i won't worry about it as long as it isn't necessary for operating the gears.

I havent had any problems without it.

Corrected results. Or lack thereof.

<snicker>

Pcad got beat by girls.

You normally have to pay extra for that service.

Don't worry, I'm sure there are a large number of females who would kick your ass on a bike.

are you complaining? what about? you finished mid pack in your bracket. nothing to complain about. If I could do that I would have had a shirt made to comemorate the occasion.

Went to ride in a charity 48 mile roubaix style ride today after laying in bed all week with a horrible cold.

Needless to say that 15 miles in it felt like a horse was standing on my chest. I did the short route and came home to recoup.

PCAD... I want full credit for the next 20 pages of this thread because of this post.:thumb:

I ride with a fairly small group of guys 3 days a week. There are 8 regulars that show up no matter what.

Out of those 8 people, 5 ride Trek Madone's.

How many out of those 5 people have had a problem with their Madone?

All 5.:( They have all had to send their Madone frames back because of either the downtube cracking or the seat tube cracking. Actually 1 guy sent his frame back twice.

Of course all of their frames were replaced under warranty and most of them got this years frame.

Not sure what to think of it, but it has made me want to stay away from Trek frames for some reason.

I'm buying a Ti bike.:innocent:

Do you get points for being top 10 or do you only come away with self loathing?

At least you can rest comfortably, somewhat, maybe not, in the fact that you destroyed the last place guy by 30 minutes; way to go!