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Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

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Old 07-16-10 | 02:34 PM
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Old 07-16-10 | 03:10 PM
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do we get the inside biography on gstein's young retirement? You mentioned estates and we know he has a second home up in the Adirondacks. I am putting my guess down for a real estate mogul!


PS pcad as far as people with malice and anger go I never really thought of gstein as a perpetrator. He comes across as funny and witty to me. He also is quick to mock himself, which is a trait most of this forum could use.

Of course he may be a real scathing guy in real life for all I know.
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Old 07-16-10 | 03:20 PM
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Speaking of retirement...since April 1st I put in $637 into my 401k employer match 558 and the investment lost 1604...

for those doing the math at home that means I lost
1)my contribution
2)my employer contribution
3) $408 that was previously in there

Is anyone else opting out of contributions during this time?

I am luckily 25 and have plenty of time for this all to right itself so a -10% quarter isn't the end of me financially but 637 divided by 3 months of paychecks isn't a terribly small amount of money either.
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Old 07-16-10 | 03:23 PM
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do we get the inside biography on gstein's young retirement? You mentioned estates and we know he has a second home up in the Adirondacks. I am putting my guess down for a real estate mogul!


PS pcad as far as people with malice and anger go I never really thought of gstein as a perpetrator. He comes across as funny and witty to me. He also is quick to mock himself, which is a trait most of this forum could use.

Of course he may be a real scathing guy in real life for all I know.
Actually, I think most everyone in this thread does just fine with that.
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Old 07-16-10 | 03:38 PM
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Actually, I think most everyone in this thread does just fine with that.
I agree which is why I like it here, and why I said forum and not thread

I think some of the 33 beats others down due to insecurities. I don't think gary suffers from this.

Anyway enough of my mancrush... let us talk about coasting... silly british accents
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Old 07-16-10 | 03:53 PM
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Guys like gsteinb live for the competition and the sport of racing. If I was as talented as some of these guys, I'd be the same way. But I'm not. I can race, I can hang with the pack, and if I train and train and train and train I might even help the team sometimes. But I'll always be pack fodder. 10+ years ago I occasionally got in the break and got a result. But I'm slower now. I'm a 22-23 mph guy in a world of 35+ guys who can ride 25+ mph. I'm tired of banging my head against that wall, particularly when it involves getting up at 3AM and driving 125 miles or more. That winds up costing $60+ in gas, tolls, etc. And all that would be fine if it was more fun. But it's not. It has become a drag, particularly when you do all that and you have a bad day or a puncture and you get spit out. That really blows.

So it goes. Nyack Ride and some fast group rides for me, I still like doing some TTs, but I really do enjoy riding alone most of the time, long rides, lots of climbing some days, some fast pack or paceline riding mixed in.

The Schwag Procurement, Hand Wringing, BF Pissing Contests and the Posing remain the funnest part of this idiot sport. And make no mistake, it is profoundly idiotic. As I get more experienced in it (and after about 140,000 road bicycle miles, I have some time in the saddle) it's not getting less dumb. It has only gotten dumberer.
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Old 07-16-10 | 03:56 PM
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Guys like gsteinb live for the competition and the sport of racing. If I was as talented as some of these guys, I'd be the same way. But I'm not. I can race, I can hang with the pack, and if I train and train and train and train I might even help the team sometimes. But I'll always be pack fodder. 10+ years ago I occasionally got in the break and got a result. But I'm slower now. I'm a 22-23 mph guy in a world of 35+ guys who can ride 25+ mph. I'm tired of banging my head against that wall, particularly when it involves getting up at 3AM and driving 125 miles or more. That winds up costing $60+ in gas, tolls, etc. And all that would be fine if it was more fun. But it's not. It has become a drag, particularly when you do all that and you have a bad day or a puncture and you get spit out. That really blows.

So it goes. Nyack Ride and some fast group rides for me, I still like doing some TTs, but I really do enjoy riding alone most of the time, long rides, lots of climbing some days, some fast pack or paceline riding mixed in.

The Schwag Procurement, Hand Wringing, BF Pissing Contests and the Posing remain the funnest part of this idiot sport. And make no mistake, it is profoundly idiotic. As I get more experienced in it (and after about 140,000 road bicycle miles, I have some time in the saddle) it's not getting less dumb. It has only gotten dumberer.
I don't buy that. Well, maybe you, but not everyone. I think it's the personality that dictates success, not the other way around. Yeah, I understand that some people become *******s when they become successful, but I think most successful autistics would be autistics even without success.
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I don't buy that. Well, maybe you, but not everyone. I think it's the personality that dictates success, not the other way around. Yeah, I understand that some people become *******s when they become successful, but I think most successful autistics would be autistics even without success.
It's not really true, no. I know some guys who can put essentially no time in and show up and win anything they want. I also know some guys who race 60 times a year and are happy being middle of the pack day in and day out. For my money the Nyack ride is the scariest thing I could possibly do. Those guys are nuts and think nothing of swinging caddy corner into the oncoming lane of traffic of a 55 mph road. I'm way too old for that. You do what you like in life. pcad has always been happiest putting in big miles. The day I stop racing I'll spend my weekends up north hiking with the dog and the mrs. Of course I may race until I'm 60. Right now it's still fun despite my season getting royally effed due to injury.
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Old 07-16-10 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tulex
I don't buy that.
WhatEVER. I've been doing this for a VERY long time, talent is talent, training is a factor, a considerably lesser factor than genetics. Make no mistake, credit where it's due, Gary trains harder than anyone I've ever known, and his success is largely due to that, but if he had been born with my (lack of) sprinting ability, he wouldn't win races. On the other hand, even with his considerable talent, if he didn't train so hard, he'd have 1/10 of his results. It's both. But without the talent it becomes next to impossible in my view. Could I train hard enough to be a potentially effective domestique? Perhaps. Is it worth living like a monk and training like a zealot to me? Hardly. It becomes more like a job, not something I love to do.

Hey, that's my view borne out of 20 years in and around the sport. But you'll have to form your own opinion. None of that matters of course. We all do this because we love it, for one reason or another. No matter how much we snipe at each other, we do share that, Fred and Road Nazi alike. That's the Big Picture. Which so many of you are incapable of seeing. Don't worry, Uncle Pcad will show you the Way.

None of you are friggin worthy of course, but that's a whole other thread.
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Old 07-16-10 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
It's not really true, no. I know some guys who can put essentially no time in and show up and win anything they want. I also know some guys who race 60 times a year and are happy being middle of the pack day in and day out. For my money the Nyack ride is the scariest thing I could possibly do. Those guys are nuts and think nothing of swinging caddy corner into the oncoming lane of traffic of a 55 mph road. I'm way too old for that. You do what you like in life. pcad has always been happiest putting in big miles. The day I stop racing I'll spend my weekends up north hiking with the dog and the mrs. Of course I may race until I'm 60. Right now it's still fun despite my season getting royally effed due to injury.
Yep. To each his own. Nyack Ride doesn't scare me. It should. I've been peeled off it and thrown into a friggin ambulance.

So it goes.
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Old 07-16-10 | 04:23 PM
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Good news. I found another race I can do. It's a circuit race. From what I read, that's a crit that has bigger laps? Wikipedia says 3.11+ mile laps, except this one calls itself a circuit race but has 2.1 mile laps. Whatever.
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By the way it's not 'all good'. It never really is. That's just something people like to say after they start with 'at the end of the day'.
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Originally Posted by Imperturbable Ryuu Ichigo
hey hey hey , don't be dragging me into your fights now.
I was only trying to be extra pathetic.
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Old 07-16-10 | 05:23 PM
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By the way it's not 'all good'. It never really is. That's just something people like to say after they start with 'at the end of the day'.
Is that after they "drill down??"
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Is that after they "drill down??"
For the right metrics.
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Oh sure.

Go electrocute your neighbor for me.
I forgot about him. He is dead to me now. The dog fence is working and Sam is trained on it again.
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Old 07-16-10 | 05:27 PM
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By the way it's not 'all good'. It never really is. That's just something people like to say after they start with 'at the end of the day'.
I used at least 3 of these at work today.... my job sux, unfortunately I'm far more talented at it than I am at cycling.


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Lucky for you. You get to play the pathetic loser friggin Mets. God they suck.
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I agree which is why I like it here, and why I said forum and not thread

I think some of the 33 beats others down due to insecurities. I don't think gary suffers from this.

Anyway enough of my mancrush... let us talk about coasting... silly british accents
i like talking about myself. i'm a narcissist.

Tomorrow will be a very sad day. It is going to be the last time I ride with my road nazi friend as he is emigrating. Going to the land down under. I thought I will one day catch him but it isn't going to happen.
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Lucky for you. You get to play the pathetic loser friggin Mets. God they suck.
try being a pirates fan haha
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I forgot about him. He is dead to me now. The dog fence is working and Sam is trained on it again.
What happened?
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