Cigarettes?
02-02-11 | 03:11 AM
#151
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02-02-11 | 05:26 AM
#152
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6-pack.
You want to believe its fair to compare a case-a-day drinker to a pack a day smoker? What the hell ya smoking. it goes up for both if you want to think that way. 2 packs a day for a 12-pack a day drinker. It just gets stupider for both so there is no use in justifying anything with that faulty logic sir.
You want to believe its fair to compare a case-a-day drinker to a pack a day smoker? What the hell ya smoking. it goes up for both if you want to think that way. 2 packs a day for a 12-pack a day drinker. It just gets stupider for both so there is no use in justifying anything with that faulty logic sir.
02-02-11 | 05:44 AM
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I'm also an advocate of the wacky tobaccy, and I feel it is totally harmless and most definitely enjoyable. I haven't indulged in quite awhile because of a new job that I can't afford to lose, but if I could I'd do it all the time.
The delicious flavor and aroma are indicators of its heavenly qualities. Cigarettes smell like certain death. That said, my grandpa is 87 years old and still hasn't had a single health problem his entire life, other than losing his teeth at some point in his life. He smoked 2 packs a day since he was practically a kid back in Greece, and didn't stop until he got into a car accident at around 70 years old. A lot of it has to do with genes.
02-02-11 | 06:04 AM
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02-02-11 | 06:42 AM
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Don't know what part you thought was a joke, but I wasn't joking about a thing.
If you had experience with both you would know which of the two smokes is more harmful to your health. Hint: it's not the natural stuff. Some people want to believe that just because it's prohibited it's harmful. It's exactly the opposite. There are proven health benefits to using it. Do you think they would give it to cancer patients if it was harmful or carcinogenic?
If you had experience with both you would know which of the two smokes is more harmful to your health. Hint: it's not the natural stuff. Some people want to believe that just because it's prohibited it's harmful. It's exactly the opposite. There are proven health benefits to using it. Do you think they would give it to cancer patients if it was harmful or carcinogenic?
02-02-11 | 06:58 AM
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Don't know what part you thought was a joke, but I wasn't joking about a thing.
If you had experience with both you would know which of the two smokes is more harmful to your health. Hint: it's not the natural stuff. Some people want to believe that just because it's prohibited it's harmful. It's exactly the opposite. There are proven health benefits to using it. Do you think they would give it to cancer patients if it was harmful or carcinogenic?
If you had experience with both you would know which of the two smokes is more harmful to your health. Hint: it's not the natural stuff. Some people want to believe that just because it's prohibited it's harmful. It's exactly the opposite. There are proven health benefits to using it. Do you think they would give it to cancer patients if it was harmful or carcinogenic?
02-02-11 | 07:10 AM
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Don't know what part you thought was a joke, but I wasn't joking about a thing.
If you had experience with both you would know which of the two smokes is more harmful to your health. Hint: it's not the natural stuff. Some people want to believe that just because it's prohibited it's harmful. It's exactly the opposite. There are proven health benefits to using it. Do you think they would give it to cancer patients if it was harmful or carcinogenic?
If you had experience with both you would know which of the two smokes is more harmful to your health. Hint: it's not the natural stuff. Some people want to believe that just because it's prohibited it's harmful. It's exactly the opposite. There are proven health benefits to using it. Do you think they would give it to cancer patients if it was harmful or carcinogenic?
02-02-11 | 07:13 AM
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When I quit smoking in 1986 I could buy cartons (10 packs) of Marlboros for $10 or so. Now they cost 10x that much.
02-02-11 | 08:26 AM
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Smokers express more regret because of the constant bombardment of messages telling them how unhealthy and vile their habit is. Not too many people crack a beer and get a lecture about the slippery slope of alcoholism, or get told to "get that disgusting beer out of my face."
02-02-11 | 08:37 AM
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Marijuana legalization is going to happen, whether you think it is destructive or not...
The film rolls of propaganda you watched in school have been studied and falsified extensively. When it comes down to it both tobacco and alcohol (both legal) do far more damage, both short and long term. Once the govt figures out how to regulate and tax the market things are going to change. The recurring theme of this thread is clearly education, then moderation.
The film rolls of propaganda you watched in school have been studied and falsified extensively. When it comes down to it both tobacco and alcohol (both legal) do far more damage, both short and long term. Once the govt figures out how to regulate and tax the market things are going to change. The recurring theme of this thread is clearly education, then moderation.
02-02-11 | 10:36 AM
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Smokers express more regret because of the constant bombardment of messages telling them how unhealthy and vile their habit is. Not too many people crack a beer and get a lecture about the slippery slope of alcoholism, or get told to "get that disgusting beer out of my face."
The differences in the treatment of the two "habits" are based on the fact that almost everyone over 21 drinks and it appears to me that far fewer smoke (no actual numbers).
02-02-11 | 10:38 AM
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Diet soft drinks are soooo much worse for you than regular soft drinks with sugar. Google "diet soda and gulf-war." You'll find a million articles that talk about how dangerous this stuff can be. Not only is it dangerous to your brain and CNS in general, it also makes you gain more weight than regular soda. I remember this professor in one of my college classes for being one of the fattest people I've ever met. Not even in terms of sheer size, but the disgusting shape of his body was horrible to look at. Sure enough, every single day he would walk in with a diet coke and then crack open another half way through the lecture.
PLEASE PEOPLE FRIGGIN EDUCATE YOURSELVES!!!
PLEASE PEOPLE FRIGGIN EDUCATE YOURSELVES!!!
02-02-11 | 10:40 AM
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Well you can smoke just about anywhere outside. Try this with drinking and you will get some lectures for sure or just odd/disgusted looks and possible get the cops called on you.
The differences in the treatment of the two "habits" are based on the fact that almost everyone over 21 drinks and it appears to me that far fewer smoke (no actual numbers).
The differences in the treatment of the two "habits" are based on the fact that almost everyone over 21 drinks and it appears to me that far fewer smoke (no actual numbers).
02-02-11 | 11:15 AM
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Well you can smoke just about anywhere outside. Try this with drinking and you will get some lectures for sure or just odd/disgusted looks and possible get the cops called on you.
The differences in the treatment of the two "habits" are based on the fact that almost everyone over 21 drinks and it appears to me that far fewer smoke (no actual numbers).
The differences in the treatment of the two "habits" are based on the fact that almost everyone over 21 drinks and it appears to me that far fewer smoke (no actual numbers).
02-02-11 | 11:30 AM
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Sean Connery loved a smoke after a good ride. Check out this Chesterfield ad..
02-02-11 | 01:37 PM
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Depends on where you are....here in SoCal, especially in Irvine, it's hard to find smokers...but I travel a lot all over the country for work doing consulting and let me tell you, in Kentucky, Iowa, South Dakota, Missouri, North Carolina, etc. it's hard NOT to see somebody smoking - especially the youth.
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02-02-11 | 02:03 PM
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Hmm, now I want to go to PDX so I can get a couple of pints of Hopworks IPA, then go for a cup of Stumptown coffee after stopping by Voodoo Doughnut for a Bacon Maple Bar. Then I'd go watch the hipsters play bike polo whilst smoking cheap cigarettes.
Now THATs Portland
02-02-11 | 04:03 PM
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6-pack.
You want to believe its fair to compare a case-a-day drinker to a pack a day smoker? What the hell ya smoking. it goes up for both if you want to think that way. 2 packs a day for a 12-pack a day drinker. It just gets stupider for both so there is no use in justifying anything with that faulty logic sir.
You want to believe its fair to compare a case-a-day drinker to a pack a day smoker? What the hell ya smoking. it goes up for both if you want to think that way. 2 packs a day for a 12-pack a day drinker. It just gets stupider for both so there is no use in justifying anything with that faulty logic sir.
02-02-11 | 04:12 PM
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jfc. unless you're an alcoholic drinking is not an addiction. It does not even need to be a habit.
02-02-11 | 05:22 PM
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Swing and a miss on my point but helluva try. The point is why smokers feel more remorseful than drinkers - because they're constantly being told to feel bad about it. No matter how much or how little you smoke you will be looked at and scorned as a smoker, hence the guilt. Drinking is more socially acceptable - even if you drink a bit too much. Both smoking and drinking can be considered addictions if you're hooked on them.
02-02-11 | 05:29 PM
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The first thing I would do when someone told me to stop smoking: Go hide and light up
The first thing I would do when someone told me to quit drinking: I don't know, it hasn't happened yet.
The first thing I would do when someone told me to quit drinking: I don't know, it hasn't happened yet.
02-02-11 | 07:22 PM
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Swing and a miss on my point but helluva try. The point is why smokers feel more remorseful than drinkers - because they're constantly being told to feel bad about it. No matter how much or how little you smoke you will be looked at and scorned as a smoker, hence the guilt. Drinking is more socially acceptable - even if you drink a bit too much. Both smoking and drinking can be considered addictions if you're hooked on them.