Forewarned is Forearmed: Sneaky Sales Tricks to be aware of.
06-03-13 | 06:57 AM
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+1 on improper fit. I see riders almost every day on modern bikes with frames that are too small. Other components like setback seatposts and exaggerated stems help, but often the riders are cramped, stiffarmed, and perched forward. Often. Maybe they're happy with their biking experience, but maybe they're uncomfortable and don't know why...
06-03-13 | 07:45 AM
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06-03-13 | 08:13 PM
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Agreed that selling a badly fitting bike is the most common rip off followed by selling a hard riding racing bike to somebody that needs a more upright endurance bike. Now there are more endurance type road bikes but that hasn't always been true and a lot of people get steered into whatever is on the floor. Understandable but sad.
06-03-13 | 08:51 PM
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06-03-13 | 09:40 PM
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I kind of wished that this thread would have had decent legs, but it's rotten at the core. Meh. Maybe it'll entertain in a few more pages.
FWIW - I love those tricky bicycle sales guys. I'd hang with them if I could ever catch up to them. Driving around their high end cars and jet-setting all around the world with the huge bankrolls of money they trick are little bike nerdly friends out of....
....oh, that's right. None of that ever happened. ...time to go play with some nipples...
FWIW - I love those tricky bicycle sales guys. I'd hang with them if I could ever catch up to them. Driving around their high end cars and jet-setting all around the world with the huge bankrolls of money they trick are little bike nerdly friends out of....
....oh, that's right. None of that ever happened. ...time to go play with some nipples...
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06-03-13 | 09:41 PM
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I kind of wished that this thread would have had decent legs, but it's rotten at the core. Meh. Maybe it'll entertain in a few more pages.
FWIW - I love those tricky bicycle sales guys. I'd hang with them if I could ever catch up to them. Driving around their high end cars and jet-setting all around the world with the huge bankrolls of money they trick are little bike nerdly friends out of....
....oh, that's right. None of that ever happened. ...time to go play with some nipples...
FWIW - I love those tricky bicycle sales guys. I'd hang with them if I could ever catch up to them. Driving around their high end cars and jet-setting all around the world with the huge bankrolls of money they trick are little bike nerdly friends out of....
....oh, that's right. None of that ever happened. ...time to go play with some nipples...
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06-03-13 | 09:52 PM
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06-03-13 | 10:12 PM
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06-03-13 | 10:56 PM
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yup, not a trick, they've done that for years.
06-04-13 | 06:53 AM
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06-04-13 | 09:26 PM
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I think that some folks in here are also forgetting that the customer is part of the equation, too. For every hasn't-ridden-since-adolescence-gets-sold-an-aggressive-expensive-race-bike person that you see, there's another that went into the store and kept insisting that the internet told them that they need di2, six feet of drop, and carbon wheels or else the weekly ride around the SeaWall will be near-impossible - and that they know better, because google prowess trumps the salesperson's years of experience.
06-06-13 | 05:42 AM
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I'm veering off course but speaking of Di2, I saw the ultimate argument against electronic shifting for novices the other day. Part way through a 100km charity ride a woman noticed that her battery had fallen off somewhere en route leaving her stuck in high gear with about 80km to go. She was very unhappy.
06-06-13 | 05:49 AM
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good point.
and beyond the safety concern, I was surprised at the weight difference between tires. Ever curious, I weighed a Zaffiro (about 38g) and another tire selected randomly from my large pile of discards. It was half the weight (about 20g). OK, so that's only.... a fraction of a 9kg bike but still, I guess it adds up. Ditto wheels where there are real weight savings by upgrading. (and I understand a gram saved in wheels is worth some multiple of a gram saved elsewhere.)
and beyond the safety concern, I was surprised at the weight difference between tires. Ever curious, I weighed a Zaffiro (about 38g) and another tire selected randomly from my large pile of discards. It was half the weight (about 20g). OK, so that's only.... a fraction of a 9kg bike but still, I guess it adds up. Ditto wheels where there are real weight savings by upgrading. (and I understand a gram saved in wheels is worth some multiple of a gram saved elsewhere.)
06-06-13 | 05:51 AM
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I'm veering off course but speaking of Di2, I saw the ultimate argument against electronic shifting for novices the other day. Part way through a 100km charity ride a woman noticed that her battery had fallen off somewhere en route leaving her stuck in high gear with about 80km to go. She was very unhappy.
06-06-13 | 05:55 AM
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BS! Those people that go in insisting they need Di2 etc, are rich baby boomers who are spending large amounts of cash to get whatever they want. I see those types in LBS's too, most can't fix a flat or don't want to dirty their hands to do it. These same blue hairs are buying Corvettes, why? because some internet research told them too? No, it's what they want so they can cruise and never break the speed limit.
06-06-13 | 10:05 AM
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Wheels are a really important place to look. I can't say what brands to be looking for, but when you start to zero in on a bike, do some research on the wheels and tires supplied with it. That is a place where lots of money can be saved by the OEM. You want to get good, light wheels.
I'd rather have Shimano 105 and Mavic Ksyrium SLS than Dura-Ace and Mavic CXP 22.
06-06-13 | 11:17 AM
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The bike i've been looking at has a "105 group" with the tecktro brakes, Shimano FC-R565 crank (supposed to be "a hybrid between Tiagra and 105"), and a SRAM chain. 105 levers and derailleurs.
Also has Aksium race wheelset, instead of the CXP22 alot of the other bikes in this price range have. I know its not a huge upgrade on the wheels, but it is something.
I've looked at alot of things, and alot of bikes, and for my budget, this mix seems to be the best around, Tecktro brakes and all.
Also has Aksium race wheelset, instead of the CXP22 alot of the other bikes in this price range have. I know its not a huge upgrade on the wheels, but it is something.
I've looked at alot of things, and alot of bikes, and for my budget, this mix seems to be the best around, Tecktro brakes and all.
06-06-13 | 11:28 AM
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The bike i've been looking at has a "105 group" with the tecktro brakes, Shimano FC-R565 crank (supposed to be "a hybrid between Tiagra and 105"), and a SRAM chain. 105 levers and derailleurs.
Also has Aksium race wheelset, instead of the CXP22 alot of the other bikes in this price range have. I know its not a huge upgrade on the wheels, but it is something.
I've looked at alot of things, and alot of bikes, and for my budget, this mix seems to be the best around, Tecktro brakes and all.
Also has Aksium race wheelset, instead of the CXP22 alot of the other bikes in this price range have. I know its not a huge upgrade on the wheels, but it is something.
I've looked at alot of things, and alot of bikes, and for my budget, this mix seems to be the best around, Tecktro brakes and all.
Which bike?
06-06-13 | 11:32 AM
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Jamis Icon Pro. I just told the shop (one man shop, my wife taught his daughter 3rd grade) get it yesterday. Should be ready Monday or Tuesday. Chose over Felt F75, and over the CAAD 10 (don't stone me).
06-06-13 | 11:39 AM
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BS! Those people that go in insisting they need Di2 etc, are rich baby boomers who are spending large amounts of cash to get whatever they want. I see those types in LBS's too, most can't fix a flat or don't want to dirty their hands to do it. These same blue hairs are buying Corvettes, why? because some internet research told them too? No, it's what they want so they can cruise and never break the speed limit.
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06-06-13 | 11:43 AM
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06-06-13 | 11:49 AM
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thanks, i think it will be a good one. Bit of an upgrade from my '98 schwinn super sport anyway.
On a side note, "y'all" is plural, "all y'all" is also plural, but is used like an exclamation point. ie: "If y'all want some, that's fine, just come two at a time and I'll whip all y'all's hind ends". Not to be confused with "you'en's, which is plural possessive. ie: "Is that t-top from you'en's Camaro?"
On a side note, "y'all" is plural, "all y'all" is also plural, but is used like an exclamation point. ie: "If y'all want some, that's fine, just come two at a time and I'll whip all y'all's hind ends". Not to be confused with "you'en's, which is plural possessive. ie: "Is that t-top from you'en's Camaro?"
