Thank you sir. I like the way it looks and I need a 60-61 frame and the 725 doesnt seem to come in that size anymore. I appreciate the quick response.

Cheers,
Aristo

that downtube... ugh...

Scrod- Do you know if the leader S803 steel forks match the new 2012 722 heritage frames in their respective colors? I can't find a definitive answer elsewhere.

The S803 V2 forks are only available in chrome, raw and black.

Scrod,

Picking up an old Trek 1000 to try out some gears. It's got a 25.4mm clamp quill stem. I don't like traditional bend drop bars and was planning to grab a set of Soma Highway One bars, but they only come in 26.0. Do you know any 25.4 modern compact drop bars? If not, do you think it's plausible to put 26.0 bars in the 25.4 stem with some filing?

I'm sure someone will be along soon to tell me I'm an idiot for saying so but if it's an old stem that's most likely been tightened/loosened many times, you may be okay. My beater has 26.0 bars in a 25.4 quill stem and they installed without any trouble at all. If it's a tight fit, you could always file down the inner edges a hair just to smooth them out and keep them from biting into the bars.

That's what I was thinking, thanks!

How about the first version? (http://store.citygrounds.com/store/p...-Red-1-1-8%22/)

Coghouse offers them as a pair, which leads me to believe that they do match... but the colors don't seem to quite match based on individual pictures of both, but pictures tend to be poor representations of color.

Definitely not Scrod, but I've been told that the tighter bends of a compact handlebar are not likely to fit through the opening of a 25.4 mm stem. That's not to contradict Scrod, but just with a brand new 25.4 stem it might be a problem, as he says a used stem may work. But I was told it was for that reason that they don't make bars with compact or ergo drops in 25.4 as they wouldn't fit on a brand new stem. It could be that the person who told me that was talking out of his ass, but, if not, just letting you know that there might not be any point in looking any further for the bars you want in 25.4.

Again, not trying to pretend to be Scrod, but wishing I could eat breakfast like him. Mmmmm, stuffed peppers with eggs and chorizo....

Sounds like a potentially valid concern. The bike is an '88 model; it's been ridden very little and in storage for 15-20 years now so I doubt the bars have been removed much(if ever). Nonetheless, I'll budget for a new stem and grab one if necessary but I'll try the stock one first. Thanks for the heads up!

They will fit. All you need to do is rotate the bars as you go through the stem to accomodate the curves.

what tool do you personally use to measure the clamp diameter

One of them new-fangled digital calipers.

Ok, so (as is often the case with people you meet on tha interwebs - and elsewhere) the person who told me that probably didn't know what he was talking about. Not to distressing to my worldview. I shan't go on perpetuating that particular line of bs then.

Besides filing the edges of the clamp area (which I've done to get a set of drop bars into an old-school MTB stem), you can "jack" the opening wider using the bolt and a dime.

/notscrod

Only if the hole is threaded on both sides of the split. Many are not.

Ah, good call.

My 3TTT stem has a small allen-head screw under the clamp fot jacking the clamp open. Without it I woudn't have been able to get my bars in place.

I have to say that while threadless stems are uglier, the ability to remove the faceplate to get bars on and off is really nice.

I'm considering picking up a Deda Murex, which is a quill stem with a removable faceplate that isn't the most hideous thing on the planet. I think Origin 8 sells the same stem rebranded.

Huh, I hadn't seen those before. Not a bad idea. I like the location of the removable bit too, so it's not quite so obvious that it's not a normal quill stem.

The Origin 8 version is a cheap knockoff that is about as stiff as a wet noodle.

Good to know. I probably would have gone with the Deda regardless. Something about that Origin 8 logo makes me unhappy.

I feel it too.

scrod,

whats your inseam measurement? i remember figuring out that the seat tube/stand over measurements of my 55 scrambler was pretty close to the 58 722, and your 722 setup looks pretty much like that of my bike

i just used the fitment calculator in detail this time and it says i should be looking at a 51 frame..
this has me weirded out now, maybe i monged up one of the fields

Your mistake is in bold.

Also, re-measure yourself.

You should be looking at the effective top tube measurements. Thats a lot more important imo

post your measurements before you retake them all. You might only have to redo one.

measured again, i think the lower half i have measured right but it seems like my top half i did something wrong, since i definitely have a long torso

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cant seem to figure out how to put uploaded images fullsize, oh well

You definitely did something wrong. Try cm too. Make sure to read the instructions completely, and have a friend help you with it.