Looking at Leaders website it states that the I803 fork that comes with the Cretin frameset has clearance for 25mm tires. Scrod can give you a better answer on the rear spacing.

I803 - Forks - Shop | Leader Bike LLC

I'll take an actual measurement when I get back to the shop tomorrow.

[MENTION=168526]TejanoTrackie[/MENTION] - By my measurements there's plenty of clearance for 32c tires in both front and rear.

Thanks. Please confirm that it would also have clearance for a front brake. Would a Tektro R540 caliper work ? Also, please confirm that the standard Andel cranks will work with the Cretin BB. Basically, my intention would be to transfer all the parts from my naranja (aka Motobecane Messenger) with the exception of the front brake caliper to the Cretin. What size (length and bar diameter) is the Cretin stem ?

Thanks - TT

Sorry, I should've been more specific. Plenty of clearance for a 32c tire with either a Tektro R540 or Dia Compe BRS-101 caliper on the front.

The BB that comes installed on those frame kits is marked 111mm (weird, right?) so you shouldn't have any issues using it with the Andels. By my caliper the stem measures 76cm from center to center (another oddity) and clamp is 31.8mm. It also weighs about 3 lbs... :lol:

Also, do yourself a favor and scrap the stock headset. Every one I've seen has been pretty crunchy right out of the box, even before pre-loading.

Thanks again. So what headset will work in this frame ?

FSA ZS-3, same as the older Leader 7-series frames.

I'd get a bigger bike before running a stem that long.

Will I have to remove the stock headset fork crown and headtube races (are they pre-installed) ?

Are there any other sub-par components IYO ? Is the seatpost clamp (collar) junk ?

You will need to remove the cups from the frame and the crown race from the fork.

The frame and fork are the only real things that matter. Seatpost and collar are acceptable generic stock bike stuff but the stem is a turd.

I can remove the cups, but would probably ask you to remove the crown race (don't have proper tool, charge any labor as necessary). As to the stem, I'll use my old one as well as the seatpost. My plan was to transfer all the parts from the Vilano back to the naranja, except for the seatpost which the wrong size and use the one from the Cretin. That way the crappyness factor will be consistent with the respective framesets. Many of the parts currently on the Vilano, such as the Lasco cranks, came originally from the naranja. The eventual plan for the Vilano frameset after complete teardown is the dumpster.

I won't mind knocking the old cups out and pressing in the new ones for you when I do the crown race (free of charge). You've been a regular customer of ours and it's appreciated. :thumb:

[MENTION=164476]Scrodzilla[/MENTION] What are you thoughts on the leader forks, specifically I803 vs I805?
I bought the dolan precursa frameset [integrated headset] which comes with the Alpina track fork (30mm rake, not drilled for brakes). I also have a nashbar road fork [43mm rake] from a previous build I parted out.
I was thinking of selling Alpina and the nashbar and just buying one of the Leaders so I can have a fork drilled for a brake and also have the more aggressive rake.

(*also, do you stock the I805 [if you think that is a better option]? Didn't see it on your site)

Thanks dude.

Got a recommendation for a ladies saddle that's good for an aggressive position but doesn't sacrifice comfort? Figured there's a chance you'd know since you've been domesticated. Something a little wider for a nice, healthy rump.

The 2015 I805 fork has a tapered steerer and is only available when you but a 725 or 735 frameset (which we no longer carry because the new integrated seatpost clamp is prone to cracking). The I803 fork is good for the money and a lot more sleek that Leader's previous carbon forks.

Correction: I noticed the I805 for sale separately on Leader's site but it won't work on any frame having a standard 1 1/8" head tube.

I'm not a lady, nor do I have a lady butt so I can't really make a legit recommendation.

I have lots of experience with lady butts.

I'm 100 % sure I met you (Scrod) this morning and hassled you for axle spacers. Which axleually solved most of the chain tension problem. Things got real tight climbing back up from the beach. On a more important note, it was rad to see your shop today and chances are I will still drop in after I get back from Poway and the National forests before heading back to Omahole. Can you guys grind and saw my break mounts? Do you like beer? Do you go to heavy metal diy venues? Thnx

I'm glad the surgery worked out for you.

Thanks for the info. I'll look more at the I803.

Yeah, my dong is ****ing huge now.

Thanks for the support.

Right on, man. Thanks for stopping in!

I do like beer but usually don't like to hack things off someone's frame...

Everyone's saying its a bad idea. I don't see how, smoother tubes, less things to get jabbed on. Some dudes are into that though. Well, back to never getting "it" and forever making things awkward. If I hadn't been so tied up on my head about figuring out this city and how to succeed at life I'd have made better talk and figured some things out. At least there won't be any more embarrassment with calling EAI IRA. I'm wasted bro

He said usually. Get enough Miller in him and he'll probably do it.

I have a 2015 725, and reading this made me sad. Where/What causes it to crack? Have you had any reports of it cracking? Thanks!

I was wondering why the 725 and 735 disappeared from the RG website, but am not surprised that this might be a problem when you try to stress aluminum that way. This was a problem with the old Bianchi Pista Concept, which is why Bianchi went to a separate collar on the new Super Pista. I'm very very very careful when I tighten the seatpost clamp bolt on my Pista Concept.

Every single one we sold to local customers ended up cracking at the bottom cut of the seatpost clamp. Our sponsored rider Bojac cracked three of them (the third one lasting only about 20 miles).

http://i.imgur.com/77kab7th.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TLJfiWNh.jpg

We're not hating on Leader in any way but naturally had to pull these frames from the shop and our site to prevent further customer issues.

I just discovered a seatpost collar crack while working on a customer's Pista Concept a few days ago. He was really bummed when I showed him.

i know you wouldnt have any at the shop, but would you be able to find out if a size M Surly ECR has bottle bosses on the bottom of the downtube (ie 3 on the frame, aside from the ones on the fork)

surly website says xs-m has 2, and l-xxl has 3, yet ive seen pictures on the internet machine of mediums that have 3

i emailed surly but noones gotten back to me, and i know you got more avenues of communication than i know of

If you can't find an answer beforehand, I'll get in touch with Amy at Surly and find out.