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Scrodzilla 09-22-16 08:50 AM

I'm confused about why that first shop would think a straight-pull hub paired with an exposed nipple carbon rim would ever be a problem, especially considering that's exactly how Reynolds Assault SLG wheels come from the factory.

thewilson 09-22-16 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Scrodzilla (Post 19073978)
I'm confused about why that first shop would think a straight-pull hub paired with an exposed nipple carbon rim would ever be a problem, especially considering that's exactly how Reynolds Assault SLG wheels come from the factory.


My thoughts exactly but I know zero about wheel building. I think it had more to do factory lacing vs the ptap having a different pattern? But am I correct in thinking as long as I have the correct ERD and hole count it's good nh to be perfectly fine?

Scrodzilla 09-22-16 09:19 AM

You wouldn't need to use different lacing with the PowerTap hub. If a different lacing pattern is used I suppose it could cause some problems with the nipples causing stress to the carbon rim because they'd all be sitting at a different angle but the spoke hole spacing on the new hub is designed for 2X lacing, which is the same as the stock wheel.

The only real difference is that both hub flanges on the GS24 hub are the same size, which isn't a problem if the spoke lengths are calculated correctly for the new build.

edit: I just realized the NDS of the stock Reynolds wheel is radial, which is probably what the first shop said no. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it.

Mumonkan 09-22-16 10:27 AM

worst case scenario wheel implodes on a 50mph descent and you die, nbd

if you aint takin risks you aint livin. yolo bro.

SpeshulEd 09-22-16 10:36 AM

/not scrod

Some shops are super fussy with Reynolds wheels. I broke a spoke and the first shop I took it to was like "oh, we don't have spokes for Reynolds wheels, you'd better take that to an authorized dealer."

Took it to a Reynolds dealer and they laughed.

himespau 09-22-16 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by Scrodzilla (Post 19074077)
You wouldn't need to use different lacing with the PowerTap hub. If a different lacing pattern is used I suppose it could cause some problems with the nipples causing stress to the carbon rim because they'd all be sitting at a different angle but the spoke hole spacing on the new hub is designed for 2X lacing, which is the same as the stock wheel.

The only real difference is that both hub flanges on the GS24 hub are the same size, which isn't a problem if the spoke lengths are calculated correctly for the new build.

edit: I just realized the NDS of the stock Reynolds wheel is radial, which is probably what the first shop said no. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it.

I seem to remember reading that because of something about the tensionmeter running through the axle, the side of a powertap hub that would normally be the non-drive side is where the drive forces are actually applied. Is that accurate (and a reason you wouldn't want to go radial as you implied), or was that someone on the interwebz talking a lot of bs out of his ass that he didn't understand?

Scrodzilla 09-22-16 11:08 AM

There's no way to lace the PT hub radially, so I still think it's a non-problem.

johnnytheboy 09-22-16 11:29 AM

whatever you decide on, just make sure to lace the powertap hub at least 2x (ds and nds) for accurate power reading and warranty purposes.

Broctoon 09-23-16 04:18 PM

Which fork is a better value for me?
 
Scrod:

I see two very similar forks on the Retrogression site, both with 1" threaded steer tube, straight legs, and chrome finish.

One comes from Tange, is made of their "Infiniti" Cro-Mo, and sells for $125.

The other is unbranded, made from 4130 Cro-Mo, and sells for $68.

They have the same length, same rake, and visually similar (if not identical) sloping crowns, with elegant lugs extending into nice, curved tangs inside and out.

What are the differences between them? Just better steel from Tange? How much will that matter in the "real world?" Is the finish nicer on one?

I'm just a conservative, 46 year old, 155 lb. dude who likes to ride fixed gear on the roads. I don't enter crit races and don't have a velodrome within a day's drive. In fact, on the bike I'm looking to upgrade, I don't even ride in traffic. I take it to quiet, largely untraveled country roads that are generally flat, fairly (though not always) smooth, and mostly straight. I'm after a fork that will be stiffer and better looking than the one Takara spec'ed 40-ish years ago. Do you think I'd enjoy the Tange $60 more than the generic one?

I thank you in advance for your honest opinion.

Scrodzilla 09-23-16 05:09 PM

That Tange fork is made from little bit nicer steel, has a slightly nicer chrome finish and is a wee bit lighter. You'll probably be alright spending 68 bucks instead of 125.

eastcoaststeve 09-23-16 05:15 PM

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Ok Scrod...no one else has a clue.....


ever seen a front hub like this before:

Broctoon 09-23-16 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by Scrodzilla (Post 19077633)
That Tange fork is made from little bit nicer steel, has a slightly nicer chrome finish and is a wee bit lighter. You'll probably be alright spending 68 bucks instead of 125.

That's helpful. Thanks for the quick reply!

I'll put in my order soon. I also need a new crank and brake lever (for another bike). I love your website and the selection of products you carry--seems to be in the perfect sweet spot between WalMart kids' bike junk and the unobtanium-plated, weight-weenie focussed jewels only affordable by Daddy Warbucks or Thurston Howell, III.

Scrodzilla 09-23-16 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by eastcoaststeve (Post 19077642)
Ok Scrod...no one else has a clue.....


ever seen a front hub like this before:

Yup, the last time you posted it.

What's the spacing on that thing?

Broctoon 09-23-16 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by Scrodzilla (Post 19077786)
What's the spacing on that thing?

I'd say it's about super-duper narrow.

Cool look, with the radial lacing and 28? very heavy gauge spokes.

Scrodzilla 09-23-16 06:44 PM

My favorite part is the extra long pube dangling from the right side of the axle.

Scrodzilla 09-23-16 06:47 PM

Anyway...it's probably a Brompton hub laced to a larger rim. Why someone would do this and make a custom fork specifically for that wheel, I don't know.

Broctoon 09-23-16 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by Scrodzilla (Post 19077818)
My favorite part is the extra long pube dangling from the right side of the axle.

It kind of made me gag when I saw it. Who doesn't remove that stuff before taking a picture?

eastcoaststeve 09-23-16 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by Scrodzilla (Post 19077786)
Yup, the last time you posted it.

What's the spacing on that thing?




Ha, couldn't remember if you posted in the hub thread....figured what the hell.


Spacing between the drops is 69mm.



It's cool no matter what, and lolz on the pube spot.



Steve

eastcoaststeve 09-23-16 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by Broctoon (Post 19077829)
It kind of made me gag when I saw it. Who doesn't remove that stuff before taking a picture?


Ha, bike came from a pretty ugly area...I usually take a few "as found" pics so i have comparison after resto.
Glad you guys got a kick out of it.



Steve

steve-in-kville 10-01-16 05:15 PM

Scrod,

How wide of a tire would your H-Son TB14/Gran Comp wheelset fit? Thanks.

https://www.retro-gression.com/colle...wheelset-black

Scrodzilla 10-01-16 06:32 PM

I know someone who rides a Steamroller running 32c tires on TB14s.

jtbadge 10-02-16 02:08 PM

Bruce Gordon Rock 'n Road tires at 43c feel really nice on my TB14s.

TejanoTrackie 10-14-16 10:30 AM

Would the BLB Notorious crankset be a significant upgrade over the Andel Standard ? Are the outboard bearings on the BLB better quality than the Andel BB ?

Scrodzilla 10-14-16 11:05 AM

I would think it would be a little stiffer overall but the move would probably be lateral. I still prefer square tapered stuff.

SquidPuppet 10-19-16 11:55 AM

Who makes the stiffest 144 BCD square taper crank? Top three please.

Scrodzilla 10-20-16 09:11 AM

Since I'm not familiar with the technical data for every crankset on the market I can really only offer my opinion, which is no more valuable than anyone else's.

My go-to is Sugino 75.

SquidPuppet 10-20-16 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by Scrodzilla (Post 19136071)
Since I'm not familiar with the technical data for every crankset on the market I can really only offer my opinion, which is no more valuable than anyone else's.

My go-to is Sugino 75.


Yeah that's all I was looking for. But your opinion is based on a broader base of exposure. I remember somewhere here, a while ago, you mentioned the Campy unit was very flimsy. I'm just trying to eliminate any/all weaklings from the shopping list. Thanks

Scrodzilla 10-20-16 09:37 AM

Yeah, the modern version of the Record Pista crankset I have on my Raleigh is noticeably more noodly than my 75s. I can actually feel it if I track stand while out of the saddle.

The Andel Standard crankset is supposed to be pretty stiff too but I've never actually ridden them. Maybe [MENTION=168526]TejanoTrackie[/MENTION] can chime in here because I know he uses and likes them.

TejanoTrackie 10-20-16 09:50 AM

Yeah, the Andel Standard feels very stiff to me, and honestly I can't feel any difference between it and the Sugino 75. In fact, I put a set on my VISP, actually the RSC1 from my Wabi Lightning with a Sugino 75 chainring, and did a standing start in a 90 inch gear at the track for my state championship. I did not feel any flex at all with them. I think a lot of this has to do more with the chainring than the crankarms themselves. Campy chainrings have a lot of cutouts, and there is very little material left to transmit the forces from the crank spider to the chain. This is why Sugino Zen chainrings are so stiff and strong, no cutouts and lots of material.

SquidPuppet 10-20-16 10:48 AM

Thanks boys.


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