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05-27-12 | 07:55 AM
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I too have doubts about its authenticity as a Cinelli. I think that it is yet another bike built up with Cinelli framebuilding components, that when it needed to be repainted was taken to mean it was a Cinelli. The fork crown, lugs and BB shell of this bike are all items that Cinelli sold to framebuilders...
05-27-12 | 11:20 AM
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I have a question, as a complete newbe to Cinellis (though I have a very large Equippe...).
My question is, where and by whom were Cinelli frames built?
I think of Cinelli as primarily a components manufacturer, stems, bars and the frame parts, but their saddles seem likely to have been contracted out so what about their frames?
I've read some seemingly well-documented stories about other Italian brands like Ciocc, Bottecchia, etc., but have yet to hear the "Cinelli story".
My question is, where and by whom were Cinelli frames built?
I think of Cinelli as primarily a components manufacturer, stems, bars and the frame parts, but their saddles seem likely to have been contracted out so what about their frames?
I've read some seemingly well-documented stories about other Italian brands like Ciocc, Bottecchia, etc., but have yet to hear the "Cinelli story".
05-27-12 | 11:58 AM
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Brake bridge too? I know cinelli sold some items...but were they all engraved like that? Ive never seen a bike with engraved flying c's unless it was a cinelli....yes ive seen alot with the cinelli bb but not with all the other parts. also, the decals definately look 80s..worn etc, not somthing that was put on recently. At any rate, it looks quality.
05-27-12 | 12:10 PM
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05-27-12 | 12:13 PM
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There isn't much question in mine. My first thought was that it was either the crudest Cinelli I've ever seen, or it was a low level restoration of a bike with Cinelli parts. I don't know Cinellis well enough to know which it was. With what we've heard here, it's option two.
05-27-12 | 12:27 PM
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Edit: Prior to Camilotto, the frame builder was Luigi Valsasina. He was at Cinelli from about 1948 to 1980.
1980s-2008 Cinelli Supercorsa builders:
I have collected some details regarding the builders of the Cinelli Supercorsa frames from the 1980s to 2008. The following information, unconfirmed, is from two sources:
1."Thru the 90's until this past year, Cinelli's steel bikes, including Supercorsa, were made in the shop of Giovanni Losa on the outskirts of Milan as Cinelli's official 'house' builder. Losa retired after a serious heart attack or stroke last year (2008) and although his employees appeared to have carried on for a time, it appears that his business is now closed. I do not know who,if anyone, Cinelli has chosen to produce post-Losa Supercorsa's as well as the new stainless steel Xcr. in all probability, Losa-produced Supercorsa inventories would very likely have carried on thru this past year."
2."It is my understanding from a source in Italy that in the 1980's the Cinelli Supercorsa was made by an experienced Milanese framebuilder by the name of Mario Camilotto. The workmanship on these models is quite beautiful perhaps even nicer than earlier models. I do not know why Signor Camilotto stopped building for Cinelli and why later frames were made by Losa, also in Milan."
I have collected some details regarding the builders of the Cinelli Supercorsa frames from the 1980s to 2008. The following information, unconfirmed, is from two sources:
1."Thru the 90's until this past year, Cinelli's steel bikes, including Supercorsa, were made in the shop of Giovanni Losa on the outskirts of Milan as Cinelli's official 'house' builder. Losa retired after a serious heart attack or stroke last year (2008) and although his employees appeared to have carried on for a time, it appears that his business is now closed. I do not know who,if anyone, Cinelli has chosen to produce post-Losa Supercorsa's as well as the new stainless steel Xcr. in all probability, Losa-produced Supercorsa inventories would very likely have carried on thru this past year."
2."It is my understanding from a source in Italy that in the 1980's the Cinelli Supercorsa was made by an experienced Milanese framebuilder by the name of Mario Camilotto. The workmanship on these models is quite beautiful perhaps even nicer than earlier models. I do not know why Signor Camilotto stopped building for Cinelli and why later frames were made by Losa, also in Milan."
Edit: Prior to Camilotto, the frame builder was Luigi Valsasina. He was at Cinelli from about 1948 to 1980.
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05-27-12 | 02:14 PM
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Its not like any Cinelli I've seen, however, at times they seemed to have offered frames that weren't like the Supercorsa... I saw some odd ones in Japan once, wish I had pictures.
There was a darker metallic pink on Cinellis in the late 70s, they were quite stunning.
There was a darker metallic pink on Cinellis in the late 70s, they were quite stunning.
05-27-12 | 03:33 PM
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I did email w/pics the cinelli america website so...we shall see? I know cinelli made mixte bikes so I guess they did do a variety of designs as opposed to de rosa or masi..dont think they ever did a mixte, did they?
05-27-12 | 06:36 PM
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05-27-12 | 06:56 PM
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Joe has been known to do battle.
Out on the road, when his presence has escaped notice for a while, Joe is known to pull ahead with the frontrunners when perhaps the bigger portion of the peloton has dropped.
Having worked on the bike in question for a little over an hour, I can say that the workmanship looked first rate to my eye.
Nothing unusually fancy, but I recall nothing inconsistent with it being a top-level build. I have to note however that the downtube decal didn't seem to be clear-coated, something that I recall on other Italian bikes such as Pinarello and Bottecchia. BTW, the Dura-Ace gruppo on it is from 1985.
My vote says it's a Cinelli.
Out on the road, when his presence has escaped notice for a while, Joe is known to pull ahead with the frontrunners when perhaps the bigger portion of the peloton has dropped.
Having worked on the bike in question for a little over an hour, I can say that the workmanship looked first rate to my eye.
Nothing unusually fancy, but I recall nothing inconsistent with it being a top-level build. I have to note however that the downtube decal didn't seem to be clear-coated, something that I recall on other Italian bikes such as Pinarello and Bottecchia. BTW, the Dura-Ace gruppo on it is from 1985.
My vote says it's a Cinelli.
05-27-12 | 07:40 PM
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I hope Dave is right. I guess I should change the title to Pink Cinelli??? Perhaps it may be a Confente that someone changed all around? mmm well somebody must have made it!!! Would there be a frame builder of some skill that would not take credit for his work and just make a phony cinelli and have it painted by someone else who seems to be a quality frame painter and then work together to do that? I still say that the paint and decals are original to the bike...in other words, not some centurion that some one repainted...definately not a rattle can job. Oh well....the mysteries of life keep life interesting
05-27-12 | 07:55 PM
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Decals and lugs do not a Cinelli make.
Still stick with the white/white scheme, though, and my observation that 4rings would be foolish to trade a Tommasini and cash for whatever this is.
Decals and lugs do not a Cinelli make.
Still stick with the white/white scheme, though, and my observation that 4rings would be foolish to trade a Tommasini and cash for whatever this is.
05-27-12 | 08:04 PM
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The frame is a bit of a mystery though. I've seen Cinelli branded BB shells on many bikes, and Cinelli fork crowns, lugs and brake bridges on many as well but never have I seen them all combined and all pantographed before. It has me a little confused and I would love to hear the story behind it, whether it is a Cinelli or not.
Keep us posted on what you find out about this one, Joe. And let me know if it's smaller than a 54 and you're looking to get rid of it...
05-27-12 | 08:50 PM
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You're not the only one, I've received a few PMs telling me the same. My Tommasini is too big for me and frankly I'm sick of looking at it. I was blinded by the pink and chrome of this mystery frame...
The frame is a bit of a mystery though. I've seen Cinelli branded BB shells on many bikes, and Cinelli fork crowns, lugs and brake bridges on many as well but never have I seen them all combined and all pantographed before. It has me a little confused and I would love to hear the story behind it, whether it is a Cinelli or not.
Keep us posted on what you find out about this one, Joe. And let me know if it's smaller than a 54 and you're looking to get rid of it...
The frame is a bit of a mystery though. I've seen Cinelli branded BB shells on many bikes, and Cinelli fork crowns, lugs and brake bridges on many as well but never have I seen them all combined and all pantographed before. It has me a little confused and I would love to hear the story behind it, whether it is a Cinelli or not.
Keep us posted on what you find out about this one, Joe. And let me know if it's smaller than a 54 and you're looking to get rid of it...
05-31-12 | 09:07 AM
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I don't think it's a real Cinelli either. The seatpost lug is not the classic one. But the parts are probably not counterfit, Cinelli sold framebuilding components that hade their name on them.
And it's quite common to repaint and put on Cinelli decals on frames with Cinelli components, just to make them more fancy/valuble. Note the weird looking Cinelli decal on the downtube, Cinelli has never made such bad design. This is probably made before the internet era, nowdays you can buy good replicas from eBay.
But apart from that, it's a great vintage ride! Enjoy
And it's quite common to repaint and put on Cinelli decals on frames with Cinelli components, just to make them more fancy/valuble. Note the weird looking Cinelli decal on the downtube, Cinelli has never made such bad design. This is probably made before the internet era, nowdays you can buy good replicas from eBay.
But apart from that, it's a great vintage ride! Enjoy
05-31-12 | 09:42 AM
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I think BG is right, after all, she has good taste in bikes .
Lotus had a similar color on their Lotus Design Cinelli Triomphe, it was called Pearl Coral. The photo shows it on the Lotus Design Cinelli Supreme, I think the catalog photos mixed up the bike colors. The fork crown, seat lug and brake bridge on OP's bike all match the parts used on the Lotus/Cinelli Supreme, except the Supreme was engraved LOTUS on the seat stay caps. Maybe it was a Cinelli built bike for another manufacturer, like the Lotus, that got converted to a Cinelli with Cinelli decals.
.Lotus had a similar color on their Lotus Design Cinelli Triomphe, it was called Pearl Coral. The photo shows it on the Lotus Design Cinelli Supreme, I think the catalog photos mixed up the bike colors. The fork crown, seat lug and brake bridge on OP's bike all match the parts used on the Lotus/Cinelli Supreme, except the Supreme was engraved LOTUS on the seat stay caps. Maybe it was a Cinelli built bike for another manufacturer, like the Lotus, that got converted to a Cinelli with Cinelli decals.
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05-31-12 | 03:19 PM
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I've got no idea about the cinelli not cinelli, but I think it looks fantastic. Love the colour and makes me even happier with the paint choice that i made, which is now sitting in the shed, waiting to be sprayed on.
05-31-12 | 03:24 PM
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No, but Masi made step through frames from time to time. Not sure about DeRosa.
05-31-12 | 03:29 PM
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'pink cinelli' should have been the title of that early '80s album by that excellent new wave band from new york. the 'pink cinelli' album was still esoteric and cutting edge, but sounded a little funkier and more worldly than their previous releases. after the release of 'pink cinelli,' the band trailed off with lesser releases, hair band noise took over the airwaves, and rock was adrift for years. just recently though, the band released a statement that they will be reforming (after years of drug abuse, solo works, art exhibits and magic shows) and playing 'pink cinelli' in live shows, in its entirety. it's kind of exciting actually.
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