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Old 08-01-12, 12:42 PM
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Kryptonite Std or the evo mini?

Hi everybody
I am in need of a new lock, my masterlock u lock currently will jam and at times I feel like I just have to leave my own bike wherever I locked it at

Anyways I am looking at the two Kryptonite u locks, the mini and the standard NYC. From what I understand they are both quality locks, I was just wondering if I can have some opinions to which one is best for me.
I commute just about everyday. I live in a pretty big sized city, although it is not a major city (SF, NY, LA, Chicago) and when I leave my bike somewhere its usually in average places (not too bad with crime). Although I must point out that my city is known for most car thefts in America if that makes any difference.

I will use it to go to college, and also wherever else I need to make a stop at. The max time I will leave the bike unattended is for about 1-2 hours. I also use a cable to wrap the tires around together. My usual locking method is to put it through the rear triangle and the rear tire + the post.

The kryptonite NY std speaks for itself, I know that it is 2nd in top end locks. Its similar to the fahgettaboutit and does the job very well.

I like how the evo mini is so small that it is convenient and could just fit in your back pocket and easily store it away
Also that its strong and durable.

My two concerns for each lock are:
U lock evo mini: if it is simply too short for and not usable in alot of scenerios.
If I will be able to secure the bike well enough to know that it is protected pretty good.



Kryptonite NY Std: That its 2x heavier.
harder to store while I'm riding.
If it is not necessary to have an overkill for the scenarios that I will be using it for.

I also will point out that its in the 100+ during the summer, and I try to not carry a backpack at all times if it is not needed. So much sweat
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I would measure the entire distance from one side of the bike to the other where you intend to put the lock then compare that to the amount of space left on the inside of the lock. You would then know what sized things you would be able to attach to. If you envision locking to bigger things then the larger lock would be better.

Do you have a bike rack by chance that you could strap the NY to? I have also see folks hang the lock from the seat stays and through the front triangle to store the lock when not in use. If I remember right the guy said he had no problems with it. The straight part of the lock went across the top of the stays and the U portion was wrapped around the seat tube.
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My tires and frame are fairly slim. I measured and I would have around 2 1/2 inches of free space to go to the post. It may be a tight snug on most things, probably bound to give the bike some un needed scratches wouldn't it.

I think I have a rack on a really old bike of mines that I could use. Do you have a NY by any chance ckaspar? Is the extra weight and size worth the security and peace at mind that you gain going with something like the NY

in your opinion
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My experience is that the minis limit the places you can lock up your bike a lot more. If you go places with a limited amount of places to lock up I would go with a standard size U lock. If there are a lot of sign posts and smaller bar racks in the area a mini might be OK too.
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I have the Fahgettaboudit which is heavier and stronger than what you're looking at, but some thoughts:

I can use the Fahgettaboudit around standard parking meter poles if I use the Sheldon brown method and go through the rear wheel. I can't get the rear wheel and the tube at the same time. So, if you're looking at a mini, it would be about equivalent. I also use a heavy cable through the front wheel and saddle, and there is room enough with a parking meter and rear wheel to still attache the cable ends to the U.

For carrying, I tried a bunch of techniques till I settled on a handlebar/stem mount. I tried the TwoFish lockblock (https://www.twofish.biz/attach-a-lock...s-u-lock-mount) and wasn't too happy with the strength of the rubber pieces with my uber heavy locks. So now i just strap it down with three pieces of heavy-duty velcro with the lock portion on the stem, perpendicular to it, and the U portion resting on the handlebars. The velcro keeps it super-tight, with no movement, and the steering is not effected adversely.

Personally, for peace of mind, I don't use anything rated less than the Fahgettaboudit, but I'm in the Bay area, and theft is a real concern.

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TwoFish looks interesting but I'll take your word on its lack of strength.
I've even thought about using this as a way to hold U Locks
https://fabrichorse.com/holster.html
Although I wonder if it would be too heavy and pull your clothing down. for a kryptonite NY std

I've thought about the fahgettaboudit, but the size and weight ratio seems a bit too much for me. If I lived in the bay area I would do the same though.
The sheldon brown method does not lock the frame with the U lock does it?

This is pretty much how Im locking up, with a cord going through the front wheel and u lock as well. (minus the second u lock)
Thats also pretty much the thickest post I imagine using.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...Dq1vkiZwA&NR=1
Would the fahgettaboudit have enough size to lock up this way at 0:28?
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Originally Posted by Solis91
My tires and frame are fairly slim. I measured and I would have around 2 1/2 inches of free space to go to the post. It may be a tight snug on most things, probably bound to give the bike some un needed scratches wouldn't it.

I think I have a rack on a really old bike of mines that I could use. Do you have a NY by any chance ckaspar? Is the extra weight and size worth the security and peace at mind that you gain going with something like the NY

in your opinion
I don't have any u-lock actually but that is that is the method I have been intending to use for when I do buy a u-lock. I am in the same conundrum you are in. I hate the thought of spending that much on a hunk of metal but I would also hate to lose my bike. Which would I hate more? Losing the bike for sure but still can't see fit to drop a hundo on a good lock. I have a cheapo cable lock right now that is relegated to hanging on my top tube because I don't trust it to be secure but don't want to be left without at least something just in case. I never stop between work and home but I want to start hitting the market on the way home. Guess I need a u-lock huh? Any suggestions?
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Originally Posted by Solis91
TwoFish looks interesting but I'll take your word on its lack of strength.
I've even thought about using this as a way to hold U Locks
https://fabrichorse.com/holster.html
Although I wonder if it would be too heavy and pull your clothing down. for a kryptonite NY std

I've thought about the fahgettaboudit, but the size and weight ratio seems a bit too much for me. If I lived in the bay area I would do the same though.
The sheldon brown method does not lock the frame with the U lock does it?

This is pretty much how Im locking up, with a cord going through the front wheel and u lock as well. (minus the second u lock)
Thats also pretty much the thickest post I imagine using.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...Dq1vkiZwA&NR=1
Would the fahgettaboudit have enough size to lock up this way at 0:28?
The Fabric Horse holster is nice, but I prefer to have the weight on the bike, not my body. And a little hipster-looking for my taste...

The method at 0:28 on the video would only work on the Fah with a really thin pole, not a parking meter.
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Originally Posted by Face Palm
The Fabric Horse holster is nice, but I prefer to have the weight on the bike, not my body. And a little hipster-looking for my taste...

The method at 0:28 on the video would only work on the Fah with a really thin pole, not a parking meter.

Lmao
I definitely would want to avoid that look

Idk do you usually have problems trying to find a place to lock up your bike with the NY F? or is it not as big as deal as people make it
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Originally Posted by ckaspar
I don't have any u-lock actually but that is that is the method I have been intending to use for when I do buy a u-lock. I am in the same conundrum you are in. I hate the thought of spending that much on a hunk of metal but I would also hate to lose my bike. Which would I hate more? Losing the bike for sure but still can't see fit to drop a hundo on a good lock. I have a cheapo cable lock right now that is relegated to hanging on my top tube because I don't trust it to be secure but don't want to be left without at least something just in case. I never stop between work and home but I want to start hitting the market on the way home. Guess I need a u-lock huh? Any suggestions?
Lol yes we sure are on the same situation.
Amazon has good deals IMO, and I'd rather just throw down the money once for a good lock instead of a stolen bike. Especially because the lock could be used for years.



But yeah, could anybody tell me what lock this is? evo mini? Krypto NY?
I love the convenient look of it lol
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I carry the NY STD lock routinely, on my Thorn Nomad. It's a plenty expensive bike that I would really hate to lose! It's also a big heavy bike. So I need a decently big lock even with the Sheldon Brown method that I use - just to get around the rim + tire + fender. And the weight of the lock doesn't add so so much to the steel frame and my BMI 25 flab. Yeah and all the maps and tools etc. that I routinely carry too.

I carry the lock in my Carradice SuperC seat bag which is mounted with the SQR thingy. There are some nifty bags that are SQR-specific e.g. the Trax - https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/carradice.asp - should have plenty of room for the lock.
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Originally Posted by Jim Kukula
I carry the NY STD lock routinely, on my Thorn Nomad. It's a plenty expensive bike that I would really hate to lose! It's also a big heavy bike. So I need a decently big lock even with the Sheldon Brown method that I use - just to get around the rim + tire + fender. And the weight of the lock doesn't add so so much to the steel frame and my BMI 25 flab. Yeah and all the maps and tools etc. that I routinely carry too.

I carry the lock in my Carradice SuperC seat bag which is mounted with the SQR thingy. There are some nifty bags that are SQR-specific e.g. the Trax - https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/carradice.asp - should have plenty of room for the lock.
Finally a NY std owner!
how do you like the NY STD do you feel good when you leave it locked up for a while?
How has your experience been with the lock

I imagine that the Fah would only give us an 10-20 seconds more extra time if a thief was trying to break it.
Which gives the STD the small advantage due to its extra length and a teeny bit lighter.

Then again I don't consider my town to be roaming around with professional thieves as much as big cities would.

Those seat bags look interesting I'll check into those thanks
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you might want to look too at wiggle.co.uk for good prices on carradice... though it's good to support folks who are more local...

I like the NY STD lock just fine. It is plenty solid! It's big enough that I can lock to lots of things. I carry a cable too just in case I am stuck with a big tree or column or whatever.

Thing is, if you have a really nice bike and leave it locked up in the same place regularly, somebody just might notice and decide to haul their angle grinder out. Maybe try to vary the place you lock it. I have covered up most of the markings on my bike so it would be hard for anybody to look it up on the internet. Nobody is going to recognize it on sight, but somebody might get curious!
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Out of curiosity, I went ahead and measured my U lock that I have currently.
I also have a diagram of the dimensions of the Fahgettaboudit mini lock. To me, it looks as if you measure up to the point where the lock begins to curve.

If that is so, then is my lock considered about 6 inches length? I also am aware that the width of my lock is much larger than what the Fah would be, and the curve would have a different length. This is just so I have sort of an idea of how the lock is in person.

So can someone who has a Fahgettaboudit give me their opinion on this?
Also the people with the NY Std, is this about how big the lock is...or is it much larger?






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Originally Posted by Solis91
Lmao
I definitely would want to avoid that look

Idk do you usually have problems trying to find a place to lock up your bike with the NY F? or is it not as big as deal as people make it
I have NEVER had a situation where I couldn't find a place to lock up with the Faghetaboudit.
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Originally Posted by Solis91
Out of curiosity, I went ahead and measured my U lock that I have currently.
I also have a diagram of the dimensions of the Fahgettaboudit mini lock. To me, it looks as if you measure up to the point where the lock begins to curve.

If that is so, then is my lock considered about 6 inches length? I also am aware that the width of my lock is much larger than what the Fah would be, and the curve would have a different length. This is just so I have sort of an idea of how the lock is in person.

So can someone who has a Fahgettaboudit give me their opinion on this?
Also the people with the NY Std, is this about how big the lock is...or is it much larger?






I just measured my Fahgettaboudit. The measurements in this drawing are spot-on.

My understanding is Kryptonite made the lock shorter because 1) it makes it more difficult to compromise it by a pry method, and 2) it's already heavy enough...
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And honestly, it's very rare that I see another bike locked up with the Fahgettaboudit, or even something comparable like the OnGuard Brute. While I don't wish bad on anyone else, it usually makes me feel pretty happy knowing most thieves will likely pick the lower-hanging fruit sitting on the same block as mine...
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Originally Posted by Face Palm
And honestly, it's very rare that I see another bike locked up with the Fahgettaboudit, or even something comparable like the OnGuard Brute. While I don't wish bad on anyone else, it usually makes me feel pretty happy knowing most thieves will likely pick the lower-hanging fruit sitting on the same block as mine...
HAHA very true. You're starting to sell NY F to me and I wasn't even considering it at first...

Did you happen to look at the picture of my lock? would it be considered a 6" as well?
If so then I would really be into the Fah. Mostly because I would already be used to the length of the lock.
you see where I'm coming from...
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Originally Posted by Solis91
HAHA very true. You're starting to sell NY F to me and I wasn't even considering it at first...

Did you happen to look at the picture of my lock? would it be considered a 6" as well?
If so then I would really be into the Fah. Mostly because I would already be used to the length of the lock.
you see where I'm coming from...
I'm not sure what you mean...maybe I'm tired. The pic of your master U-Lock looks like it's showing 8-inches inside the U, as opposed to 6 for the Fah. So, it would be 2-inches smaller than your current lock, right?

But, like I've said, I don't really miss the extra 2 inches. And now that I've found a way to attach to the bike that makes me happy, I'm all good, even with the heavy weight.
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Another lock I would consider is the new Evolution Series Mini-7. It is longer than the Evo-Mini and shorter than the Mini-LS. I consider the 7" version the perfect size. I have both the mini and the LS, and if I had the mini-7, I would only have one lock.

The mini-7 is only available bundled with a cable, but that is probably a good idea anyway.
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Originally Posted by aggiegrads
Another lock I would consider is the new Evolution Series Mini-7. It is longer than the Evo-Mini and shorter than the Mini-LS. I consider the 7" version the perfect size. I have both the mini and the LS, and if I had the mini-7, I would only have one lock.

The mini-7 is only available bundled with a cable, but that is probably a good idea anyway.
How much security do those mini evos have?
How much do they weigh? do you own one.

Sorry for the questions
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Originally Posted by Face Palm
And honestly, it's very rare that I see another bike locked up with the Fahgettaboudit, or even something comparable like the OnGuard Brute. While I don't wish bad on anyone else, it usually makes me feel pretty happy knowing most thieves will likely pick the lower-hanging fruit sitting on the same block as mine...
A rarer lock strategy is to use 2 NY locks.
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A rarer lock strategy is to use 2 NY locks.
Wow.

I would stand up and salute this person, but looking at it just gave me a hernia.
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If you have to lock your bike up in the same place regularly, then using a heavy chain can work - the game is just to leave the chain there all the time. Carrying something like that on a daily basis is just too much.
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Originally Posted by Jim Kukula
If you have to lock your bike up in the same place regularly, then using a heavy chain can work - the game is just to leave the chain there all the time. Carrying something like that on a daily basis is just too much.
This is exactly what the bike owner do. (the chain weight ~ 10 lbs)
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