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jock 03-02-06 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by HDTVKSS
as above, 2 X 8 min LT test, then looking up the chart in Friels book from the results.

So what's wrong with that?

Use that method to set your zones, remembering that it can't be used as a comparative test. For a comparison you need a constant.

531Aussie 03-02-06 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by HDTVKSS
. highest ive seen my HR go is around 199 - 200

you reckon that was as hard as you could go?

If so -- and 200bpm is a common max (mine is about 203), so it's probably right enough -- I'd work off that to get your zones

HDTVKSS 03-02-06 10:05 PM

ah goodo. ok so as a comparo it means nothing but its still worthy of getting a rough idea for training zones. thanks for that jock :D

yer was close, could probably go a little harder id say id top out around 205 or so, but no more than that.

jock 03-02-06 10:10 PM


Originally Posted by 531Aussie
I've got one of the Carmichael books (The Lance Armstrong Performanc Program; 7 Weeks to the Perfect Ride), but it doesn't go into enough detail -- it only briefly describes the various techniques. All it says about threshold is that sometimes "the aim is to stay aerobic and stay under the threshold", but he doesn't really explain why.

One thing weird about that book is that Carmichael says that if someones spends more than (i think) 45 mins aboive their threshold, they need at least 2 days recovery rides, but his 7 week program recommends hard days on Thurs, Sat and Sun, then 'spin' days Mon Tues Wed.

Haven't read it. Brilliant piece of marketting for the title, sounds just like one of those telemarketting ads that promise the world and a set of steak knives.

I can only guess that the "staying aerobic" statement relates to preservation of energy systems that can't be replenished easily or without rest. Ergo if you go anaerobic early in a race then you will burn out before you reach the end, or you will be beaten by someone who has more left in them. A key element relating to that statement is that with training you can raise the limit: ie you can go faster for longer without going anaerobic.

The second part is pure long term self preservation. Its not necessarily a hard and fast rule, but a bloody good rule of thumb. It can be adapted in any way you want, but the bottom line is you can't go hard forever. Without suitable rest/recovery your body can't make adaptation, in fact it will suffer badly. You don't make gains on the bike, you make them off the bike as tissues are rebuilt, restructured, or redeployed to suit the demands being placed on them.

mrkott3r 03-02-06 10:20 PM


Originally Posted by climbo
it will run for sure, these things always come together, people come from everywhere to attend, they'll put on a good show. You're not entering? :)

nope, Ive never raced bikes (or in fact competed in a sport) but I am coming down to watch the events (saturday or sunday), so if we want to put a bikeforums crew together im up for that

Smoothie104 03-03-06 12:03 AM

Hey, is it true that there is a track racing World Cup Round in Sydney this weekend?

classic1 03-03-06 12:05 AM

http://www.cyclingnews.com/track/200...ults/sydney061

It's on right now smoothie.

climbo 03-03-06 12:26 AM

yeah, get down there, it's never full, I went last year. Kersten is ripping it up in the keiren :) Go NSW !!!

badsac 03-03-06 06:38 PM

Went for another mtb ride with my sister around the local xc loop today. First lap came around near the highway, near where the toilets are, only to fnd one dude sucking another dude off. They could care one bit that we saw them. Next lap two other dudes came out of the toilet, one pulling his duds up. On the last lap I fell off my bike. Kids go riding around that track for gawds sake. Don't think I want to go riding up there anymore. :(

climbo 03-03-06 08:05 PM

i'm surprised you can type after that, I may have had to poke my eyes out after seeing that. What's the loop called? Brokeback Trail?

jock 03-03-06 08:06 PM

Maybe you could take a paint-ball gun with you next time. Couple of rounds from close range.... you get the idea

HDTVKSS 03-03-06 08:13 PM

whats the john dory with Kersten getting relegated?

jock 03-03-06 08:18 PM

'irregularities in the sprint'

Kersten has no idea

http://www.cyclingnews.com.au/track/...ults/sydney061

mrkott3r 03-03-06 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by badsac
Went for another mtb ride with my sister around the local xc loop today. First lap came around near the highway, near where the toilets are, only to fnd one dude sucking another dude off. They could care one bit that we saw them. Next lap two other dudes came out of the toilet, one pulling his duds up. On the last lap I fell off my bike. Kids go riding around that track for gawds sake. Don't think I want to go riding up there anymore. :(


go complain to the council

badsac 03-03-06 09:58 PM

It's the country for gawds sake. Only you city folks and the movies get up to that kind of rubbish. I felt like throwing stones at them like you would a pair of dogs getting up to no good, but I guess that's getting a bit biblical. Needless to say there will be some complaints going in to the cops or council if I see that rubbish again. Knowing them though I doubt they'd do anything.

Never before has me wearing lycra seemed like such an issue. :eek:

mrkott3r 03-04-06 01:31 AM

gawd first time as a novocastrian I have been called a city folk!

berny 03-04-06 02:52 AM


Originally Posted by badsac
It's the country for gawds sake. Only you city folks and the movies get up to that kind of rubbish. I felt like throwing stones at them like you would a pair of dogs getting up to no good, but I guess that's getting a bit biblical. Needless to say there will be some complaints going in to the cops or council if I see that rubbish again. Knowing them though I doubt they'd do anything.

Never before has me wearing lycra seemed like such an issue. :eek:

You should'v put the hose on them :roflmao:

Flak 03-04-06 02:53 AM

Well compared to Bathurst, its huge!

If it wasnt for Mt. Panorama, Bathurst would be even smaller!

Hey, i bet theres some good riding on the mountain! :)

miyata610 03-04-06 03:01 AM


Originally Posted by mrkott3r
gawd first time as a novocastrian I have been called a city folk!

Mate, I hate to break it to you but if you live in Newie you are a city dweller. It may not be a large city but it is still a city. You have reticulated water, a sewerage system, public transport and shops within a 5 minute drive if you choose to use them. And finally you have weirdos doing strange things in public toilets.

Try tank water, water pumps, septic system, no public transport, 35 minute drive at 100 km/hr to the nearest shops and then you can say you ain't no city slicker.

And there sure ain't no funny stuff like you saw out in the country - that's why we have sheep. :p

Odin 03-04-06 05:10 AM

Bugger. First club RR of the season today which was at a new location that they said we'd give a try to see how it'd go.
Each lap was 8km of hilly terrain, the first of which was right orf the start... and the mercury was heading past 33.
I decided to sit on the guys that are always up front in crits. Wrong! They're not climbers.
Managed to miss the jump of a 5 man breakaway and, worked with another bloke to slowly pull them in. Someone binned it about 50 metres ahead, 3 blokes were helping him and gave me the job of alerting race control and getting a neck brace... 4km of nasty hills away... hammered it so hard, I almost chucked.
Spent about 5 minutes at race control helping get the car sorted. I was knackered, had used up all of my water on the first bloody lap and decided that I'd had enough... my grade were way orf in the distance and I felt like crap. Didn't take long before others, and I mean lots of others, had the same idea. I reckon out of 80 riders, 20 actually finished. There were blokes practically falling over from dizziness, others with the chills... a mate did this race as his first ever race and had to ride the white line in the middle of the road to keep focussed. He kept stopping each lap but they kept telling him that he was in 3rd, then 2nd and sent him out again and again.
Bah! I hate hot weather.

mrkott3r 03-04-06 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by miyata610
And finally you have weirdos doing strange things in public toilets.

lol, plenty of weirdos everywhere though :eek:

531Aussie 03-04-06 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by Odin
Bugger. First club RR of the season today which was at a new location that they said we'd give a try to see how it'd go.
Each lap was 8km of hilly terrain, the first of which was right orf the start... and the mercury was heading past 33.
.

bummer. I'm totally crap in the heat. Back in the old I never raced if it was over 25/26/27, and every summer I reckon it takes me a month to acclimatise

531Aussie 03-04-06 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by badsac
It's the country for gawds sake. Only you city folks and the movies get up to that kind of rubbish. I felt like throwing stones at them like you would a pair of dogs getting up to no good,I :eek:

yeah, it's a big piss-off, especially as a cyclist who drinks too much coffe and is often stuck in the middle of nowhere needing a slash. :p

What really pisses me off is how selfish it is!! Dunnies are a public utility, but if a particular dunny becomes a pooofta hangout, that dunny can no longer be used by by ~95% of the population for its intended purpose!! And, as Sacco said, it's even worse when it's a family area.

mrkott3r 03-05-06 12:47 AM

anyone watching cycling central? Anyone got any more info on these tubeless wheels?

Odin 03-05-06 12:49 AM


Originally Posted by 531Aussie
bummer. I'm totally crap in the heat. Back in the old I never raced if it was over 25/26/27, and every summer I reckon it takes me a month to acclimatise

Yeah, I'm usually OK 'till about 30/31... then it all starts to fall apart.
Only having one cage/bottle on the bike was a silly mistake.

Went out this morning and hammered myself in the hills for 2 hrs to get over feeling like such a dickhead yesterday. Feeling much better now :D


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