Because, like the other poster said, you need to ride the miles at a certain effort level, regardless of what your bike weighs. It's just more fun to do with a lighter bike. There's a certain psychological satisfaction from still being to lift your bike with ease when you've already turned yourself inside out and can barely walk.

Remember, this is all about form. Function has no place here.

It is all good. I can take jabs.

So. I am curious UCI.

I posted pictures of this bike few months back but not from this angle. At this angle you can appreciate the red accent better. Some day I will start a whole new thread and post pictures of all my bikes just for you. Till then, here is the non-drive side!
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6155/6...a23d9891_z.jpg

Now that you mention it. I do remember drooling over this when you first posted it a few months back. This is definitely one of the coolest paint schemes on the planet. It is hard to say which side I like better. The white or the black. Definitely magnificent.

The lettering on the white side are actually cut-outs and you can see the carbon weave through. As if they cut out the letters from the white side and applied them to the naked side.

I can think of one very good reason. Building this bike will make him want to train more often, and harder. Versus having a bike that doesn't inspire him to want to ride it as often.

Just out of curiosity what about the saddle position doesn't look comfortable? I have actually been dealing with hip pain issues, perhaps you are onto something?

Also: "Race what you can replace", Right?

Very true - I know a guy who went through three frames last year (two were SL3)

Ok, totally ready for the onslaught. But please bear with me, this is a dual use bike used for commuting and for recreation by both my old man and myself. That's the reason for the flat pedals and clips, uncut steerer, and all the other niggles you'll find. Hell, I even put it in the big ring for you guys, and I live on a hill. I'll have to shift down to the little ring when I go out. I'll let you guess how much I payed for it. It was originally a gift for my father, and he's picky about price ranges. Perhaps that'll save me a bit of ridicule XD
And yes, the weather right now is amazing here

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the bar tape is dirty, the steerer isnt cut, the wheels and tires dont match, and it doesnt have clipless pedals but it still looks very nice. the frameset really could be used for a hot build.

when i was in high school my dad was unemployed due to medical reasons and gifted me a framest. it isnt much but 8 years later i dont have the heart to get rid of it:
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...0-21155717.jpg

Yeah, I know the bar tape is dirty as hell, I use the bike every day XD I just bought a new set of tape to rewrap the bars, maybe I'll do it after another 300 miles, lol. Wheels don't match because the guy I bought it from tacoed the front wheel. I pulled the front off my Cervelo TT bike to use for winter riding. I also have a new Hutchinson Fusion 3 that I absolutely should put on the rear this week. That rear tire is really old. My Dad is in his 70s, so I flip the -17 stem to positive and raise it two spacers when he wants to ride. He's also super old school, so absolutely no clipless, which is a bummer.

Still no guess on how much I paid? XD.

Currently, I'm gathering funds for a nice carbon road bike. Maybe a Scott Foil, maybe a Felt F4, or even a Cervelo R3. But this will do for now

I am gonna guess 250$.

I was gonna suggest one sided SPD / platform pedals but I realized the toe clips would scrape the ground. Of course you could always swap pedals, pretty easy, I swap between commuter style pedals and road pedals quite frequently.

250? Go lower XD. Yeah, I could swap pedals. Don't really want to invest in a new clipless pair until I get my carbon bike, though. I was definitely surprised to see a Mandaric made Quintana Roo #101 with Columbus steel and Kinesis carbon fork at this pricepoint though. I personally expected something like at least 700 dollars until I saw the listing

Speedplays with Platformer covers.

I like the frame quite a bit, actually.

i really like it

I like the roo, I would have bought it at that price point for sure.

Thanks guys! Yeah, you won't believe this, but I got it for 160 dollars :O

I'm no professional fitter but by looking at the picture I would say you might want to tilt the nose of the saddle down. from the picture it looks to be pointed up a bit. When I have mine pointed up to much it not only hurts my hip, but also creates chafing. Just my .02

Very nice!

thanks. someday i will move the group to a "hot" frameset but this one gets the job done and makes me smile.

This is good to know! Thanks! I will experiment with saddle tilt on that thing for a while (Another thing I have been told is that my saddle is too low from people who have seen me ride but for some reason increasing the height seems to cause me more hip pain, perhaps a mixture of some forward tilt + raised height will be helpful)

And on the note of the bars: Yes the drop is pretty massive, although the picture exacerbates it. I was looking for carbon bars, cheap, with flatted tops and shallow drop. I got 3 of the fore mentioned and I settled with that.

raise the seat post a LITTLE and flatten out your saddle. if you feel like your reaching from being to high, move the saddle forward a little. Even after a professional fitting, it took me about a year of playing around with positions to get something that really hit the spot.

for bars....maybe look into these?
http://www.boydcycling.com/carbon-handlebars/

I like the Campy build. I especially like the Eurus wheels because they don't have flashy graphics like the newer ones do. If they still made them like that I'd probably pick some up for my caad9/Record build.