I think he just showed that those two aren't mutually exclusive

I just signed up for the Cervelo test ride program at Excel next month. I'm going to get there early, grab the bike I want, and disappear for as long as permitted. And then head to Game 1 of the Cubs-Rockies series. Stupid effing Cubs.

Pcad: why the S2 over the S3? I seem to recall you had some fear about the mushiness of the S3. I don't like mushy and I don't particularly like the cost either.

I realize you are the leader of this nonsensical 7200 post thread. If possible, can you muster the required caloric expenditure to provide a coherent thought on this without the two pages of brain damage? That would be svelte of you.

I'm already anticipating the "sbxx is asking too many questions" response, so let's acknowledge it and move on.

And I listen to Ron Santo on WGN. I'm the dumbest of all.

Are you allowed to be a Jets fan and a Giants fan? I thought that was blasphemy over there in the armpit.

Are you going to ride on the right side of the road for once?

if he leads us that way, I'm dropping myself.

Good luck.

Cheaper.

I answer your question out of sheer pity for you as a friggin Cubs fan. God help you son.

Buzzcut.

Hey pCad, what will be your bicycling legacy?

Exactly.

Complete and Utter Fail.

Easy enough. Thanks.

Time to turn on MLB Radio.

Why the high expectation?

Expectations? Hell, he's an achiever.

The S3 is like 100 grams lighter (it's really not a big difference), has more 'compliant' rear stays. But I find the S2 very comfortable, and everybody I know who has a carbon soloist agrees. I weigh 170-175 lbs (well soon I won't, I'll be lighter of course, but you get the picture) so my fat ass may compress the rear end more and make the bike feel mushier (aka 'vertically compliant) than it might feel to a 150 lb rider. So the S2 really delivers 95% of the bang for me for a considerably lower price. That's the main race frame they issue to their pro team (or it has been in recent years). It's a great all around bicycle.

I really do think that the S3 might feel mushy to me, but then I like a stiff bike. I've been doing this for a long time, and even VERY stiff bikes (like my Scott) are fine because they're carbon fiber. Ride a stiff aluminum frame. THAT is stiff. My Scott Addict started out feeling stiff to me, now I love the friggin bike. At times the S2 feels downright plush. But never mushy. Well, OK, sometimes maybe a little mushy.

I'm so fat.

I can't believe I am 30lbs more than this guy.

I've owned aluminum and steel. I've been riding a magnesium frame for the last couple years contemplating a future move to carbon. It's actually been a few years of contemplating because I don't think it'll be a substantial enough upgrade to justify the cost. I love my bike, but the grass is always greener. And Excel is around the corner. And my wife tolerates me.

$1500 for uber thin seatstays seems ridiculous. Especially if at 175 lbs (my current weight), it ends up being a mushy ride.

Sounds like the rambling thoughts of a mind in torment.

Why do you like a very stiff bike? I'm actually interested to know from someone with experience of all sorts of stiffness levels. Is it just the acceleration advantage you appreciate and you can tolerate the harsher ride?

are you sure?

Two quick Michelob Ultras....but no buzz. It's not right.

We've seen. We've all seen.

If you have the cash that seems like a good deal with the fork and seatpost

what are the idiots near me always tryign to sell CL stuff for darn near full price? It annoys me so much I sent an email to a guy telling him what a liar/idiot he was.

There is some easton 90 tubies for 1200. You can get them new for that price.

same here. ebay too. they do it because buyers are total morons.

i know a guy who bought a battered old steel bike for commuting, rode it for over a year and then sold it for double what he paid. the buyer was thrilled!

keep the trek. it is pretty