You're right, he should probably asked him to stop, said please a few times, whimpered a little bit and then said please again while simply offering a hug.

Oh for christs sake, it's called retrieving stolen property. So sorry that stopping theft with a modicum of violence offends your delicate sensibilities. He didn't beat the guy senseless, the guy didn't end up in the hospital -- he basically got roughed up a bit for being a total jerkoff. Deal.

Attempting to detain a criminal by simply holding onto his shoulder is an easy way to put yourself in danger. There's still plenty of room for them to swing at you, possibly with a weapon. Grabbing them by the throat is almost as dangerous; and can cause the person to escalate their level of violence.

Sure, go ahead and decide how much force someone is able to respond with based on appearance. That'll work just fine.

If I decide I need to get physical with someone I'll do it decisively. I'm all for peace and love though, I always avoid physical confrontation when there's an alternative.

For the record, I like trees, PETA, and Greenpeace quite well...and if someone tried to steel my personal belongings, I would probably beat the living **** out of them. I have no need to be "chill" to someone stealing from me.

*******s trying to steal a bike. Too bad that bouncer was there. Might not be as apt to try it again the next time when he remembers that last time yielded him a few less teeth.

I'm sorry, but you're ****ing ********.

I have, in fact, developed autism due to my personal beliefs regarding this situation...
have some tact. I'm not being "********," I'm voicing my beliefs on the subject, deal, and restrain yourself from improperly using that word, it's pretty offensive.

Jesus ****ing Christ what happened to common sense these days? Can you please explain to me how you're supposed to get a "pretty good grip" on someone's shoulders and prevent him from just running off while you just stand dazed with your thumb up your ass? NO, you grab the little **** by the neck or balls or hair or whatever and you slam him into the concrete, hopefully breaking all his teeth in the process.

age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill. or so my nearly 60 year old father says. he could be biased though.

BRAVO OP! good job keeping your bike from being stolen, and good job for teaching that loser a lesson.

Haha, do I need the testicles that presumably come with the sack, or just the scrotum?
Good lord.

I dunno. I tend to leave my bike locked up until I'm ready to go.

+2 (balls)

Really, does the type of bike matter?

And the idea of excessive force is laughable. I told the cops point blank what I did and they had no issue with it. If it was possible, I would gladly pay for a one way ticket to your town, then you can hold him firmly and give him a stern talking to when you catch him trying to ride away on your little pony bike.

The kind of bike doesnt matter all that much, I'm just curious (still waiting to know what you assaulted this "hipster" over), and regardless of what the cops said was ok doesnt make it any more acceptable in my mind.
And how on earth did you know I ride a "my little pony" whip?!?!?! thats a bit creepy.

Really? Is this argument happening? I would have killed that kid. Even if it meant getting beat down by bouncers. **** him.

yeah this argument is happening. I'm surprised so many people put their bikes on these ridiculous pedestals. I dont like people jacking my stuff as much as the next guy, but really? violently dealing with a situation is pretty low. I mean, the OP couldnt have said something when the dude walked up next to him to grab the bike, or just grabbed his bike as the guy was picking it up...seems excessive.

I just fail to see the benefits of taking a chance? Why get it right on the second try? Choke the loser out, get your bike back, and you're solid.

SWEET!

I caught a kid (literally) trying to steal my car once...I grabbed him by the throat and pulled him out of the car and wedged him between the door and windshield, he tried to fight me off until he saw me flick out my folding knife and delicately place it by his reproductive organs. He calmed down quite a bit after he realized I was serious about castrating him. His buddy took off before anything happened to him. Unfortunately, since he did not actually start the car, the DA did not press charges.

If I caught someone stealing a lawn ornament off my property, you would have to physically restrain me from bashing his head in with a baseball bat. Same goes if I caught someone stealing my car or a flower from my garden.

Can't you wrap your head around the concept of property and entitlement? Its more than just the dollar value of something, its a universal principle. You just don't **** around with another person's things, and if you do, don't be surprised when your ass gets kicked.

It's idiots like you that keep the bad guys doing what they do, and let them think that they can get away with it all the time. Sadly, they usually do. Are you gonna fight back, or take it up the ass? Your call.

frank, I think most people see where you're coming from and agree in principle (remember, this is a discussion about an actual event, not moral ideals), but you're picking a bone with someone who clearly had good composure in the situation and dealt with it very reasonably, without self-glorification or gratuitous violence. You've either failed to understand the place for ethical debate or vainly deny that violence is an inescapable part of life. In this case, very mild violence was used to prevent theft and detain the dude till the cops came. This is more honorable than what you could expect from the vast majority of citizens. You also seem to ignore the role of malicious intent, which seems to be completely absent in this case of "violence".

Also, discussion of ethical absolutes can never completely jibe with the adrenaline-laden reality of experiences like these. That point that the thief wasn't even following standard I've-been-caught-so-time-to-run procedure (arguing that it was, in fact, his bike?!) makes it impressive that the confrontation was ended with no more than a throw-down.

Here is the bike....



Regardless of what you think constitutes "assualt" or "excessive", the cops on the scene didn't think so. If I had beaten the kid to a pulp, then an argument could be valid. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case. I didn't try to strangle the guy, I only used enough force for him to realize that breathing is more important than fighting. Think whatever you'd like in your perfect world, but one day reality will set in.

Do you think that undercover security at stores should give a quick reprimand when they see someone slip an item into their pocket? No. They wait for them to make it outside so that when the case does go to court, the defendant is caught dead to rights. No excuses.

What a bunch of meat headed jerks.

Edit: not so much the OP but, Come on dude, grow up.

I seriously hope frankstone is just trolling, or this is seriously the stupidest thing I've read in the history of this incredibly stupid forum.

I don't think than even a peacenik like humancongareel could agree with this bull****.

Come on dude, get the point.