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# New BSO long-term test!

Commuting Bicycle commuting is easier than you think, before you know it, you'll be hooked. Learn the tips, hints, equipment, safety requirements for safely riding your bike to work.

# New BSO long-term test!

11-29-18, 01:59 PM
#1226
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Originally Posted by noglider
You've been frugal, yet I'm surprised to see that the cost has been \$0.25 per mile. I wish more people did this to see what the average for many riders and bikes is. I would have hoped it's less, and maybe it is. Lots of people with little money ride bikes in Asia.
For a couple months now I've been toying with the idea of starting a (hopefully) long-term thread in BF/Commuting about cost per mile of bikes (although it could go in general as well).

A working-condition road find is 0/mi from the instant you first set in motion, until you first have to replace a tube or a brake pad or something.

A bike that you pay \$10000 (or even \$1) for, but it only sits in the garage and is never ridden, has infinite \$/mi.

Everything else is in between. Discuss.

The \$/mi metric can be applied to individual bikes, or whole stables. It gets tricky (see ship-of-Theseus problem) for somebody that swaps parts between bikes a lot.

If you sell a bike you can deduct the proceeds from the total bike cost and 'close out' that account. (If you flip the bike for more than you put into it, your \$/mi is negative!)

But if you start to factor benefit into the equation (I paid X for the bike, but saved Y because of riding instead of driving, or saving bus fare, or whatever), it gets too complicated I think. I'm not so interested in comparing bike cost to car cost, as much as all of us comparing our bike costs to each others'

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11-29-18, 02:18 PM
#1227
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I thought that I'd be honest with this thread.

My way of doing it was:

Cost of bike shipped to me and all accessories that I needed.
This included:
• Bike lock
• Bike lights
• Fenders
• Parts (several tyres and several tubes until I determined a combo)
• Consumables (oil and brake pads; now new fenders)
• Bar changes (to a flat bar with grips)
I have distinct feeling that I'll stay around \$0.25/mile for a while as bikes take a beating over here between weather and just a beating in the bike racks/locker and from accidents/attempted theft.

I think that it will get cheaper when people have a longer commute (but our \$/commute will stay the same).

11-29-18, 02:27 PM
#1228
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That's why this thread is cool. I'm impressed that is now five years old. It's taken a lot of labor by @acidfast7 to track his expenses etc., and a bigger picture view would require many people to do the same. Now that I buy a large fraction of my stuff on Amazon, maybe it would be easier for me, but honestly, I don't think I'll be adding up my receipts into a spreadsheet and dividing my miles by dollars. I would love it if others did it, though.

I do track my miles, because it's fun and easy. I hit "start" when I start riding, and I hit "stop" at the end of a ride. I use ridewithgps, and it colleges more metrics than I could wish for. I like to keep the home screen so that it displays how many miles I've ridden in the calendar year. My commute is 13 miles round trip, and I ride more than just commuting, so I'm on target to hit 3,000 miles this year, which makes me feel good.
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11-29-18, 02:34 PM
#1229
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Originally Posted by noglider
I'm impressed that is now five years old.
The original mangobikes started a clothing line, spun off and went bankrupt.

Now, it's owned by someone in Belfast and they're selling bikes again.

A lot happens in five years. My bike was in a garage because I lived too close to work (less than 1km).

Now it's back in the wild.

11-29-18, 02:45 PM
#1230
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OK, here youse guys go! You can wander over there and help me get some momentum going on that thread

Cycling: Cost per Mile

11-29-18, 02:48 PM
#1231
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Originally Posted by noglider
I do track my miles, because it's fun and easy. I hit "start" when I start riding, and I hit "stop" at the end of a ride. I use ridewithgps, and it colleges more metrics than I could wish for. I like to keep the home screen so that it displays how many miles I've ridden in the calendar year. My commute is 13 miles round trip, and I ride more than just commuting, so I'm on target to hit 3,000 miles this year, which makes me feel good.
I don't use a smartphone. I have one cateye mity 3, which I swapped between my crosscheck and my hardtail. Even though I can switch between A/B bike tire diameters, the odometer doesn't keep separate track, so I can only guess what portion of them miles were which bike.

When I got my Krampus, for some reason I couldn't get the harness and computer to work. so I gave up and my Krampus miles are completely untracked. Except when I remember to wear my fitbit, the ride is automatically detected and the duration logged, so I could guesstimate distance from a nominal mph.

11-29-18, 03:31 PM
#1232
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I forgot to finish my point.

ridewithgps also tracks which bike each ride is on. That's one of the features of the paid version. There are places where I can put equipment change in, and there I can track things such as how long a chain or tire lasts. I could. Will I? I don't know.
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11-30-18, 01:04 AM
#1233
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episode 444
5119km/3181mi/239.5h
£605.76/€679.67/\$774.23 total
£2.529/€2.83/\$3.23 per hour
£0.1183/€0.1327/\$0.2433 per km/mi
£1.364/€1.530/\$1.743 per commute

11-30-18, 05:25 AM
#1234
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OK, here youse guys go! You can wander over there and help me get some momentum going on that thread

Cycling: Cost per Mile
That link is busted on my rMBP.

11-30-18, 10:29 AM
#1235
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? the link within your quote works for me, what's a rMBP?

11-30-18, 11:06 AM
#1236
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? the link within your quote works for me, what's a rMBP?
Interesting, it works for me now too. retina Mac Book Pro.

12-03-18, 07:50 AM
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episode 446
5127km/3185mi/240.25h
£605.76/€679.05/\$777.27 total
£2.521/€2.82/\$3.24 per hour
£0.1182/€0.1324/\$0.2440 per km/mi
£1.35/€1.530/\$1.742 per commute

12-04-18, 05:26 AM
#1238
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episode 447

5133km/3189mi/241.5h
£605.76/€679.05/\$777.27 total
£2.508/€2.812/\$3.198 per hour
£0.1180/€0.1323/\$0.2422 per km/mi
£1.355/€1.519/\$1.728 per commute

12-04-18, 05:28 AM
#1239
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Also, copying that picture from the photo tag thread to add to the bicycle's history.

12-05-18, 07:52 AM
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episode 448

5138km/3192mi/241h
£605.76/€679.05/\$777.27 total
£2.513/€2.812/\$3.225 per hour
£0.1179/€0.1322/\$0.2435 per km/mi
£1.352/€1.516/\$1.735 per commute

12-06-18, 07:12 AM
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episode 450

5148km/3198mi/241.25h
£605.76/€679.05/\$777.27 total
£2.509/€2.814/\$3.222 per hour
£0.1177/€0.1319/\$0.2430 per km/mi
£1.346/€1.509/\$1.727 per RT commute

12-07-18, 05:25 AM
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episode 451
5154km/3202mi/241.75h
£605.76/€679.05/\$777.27 total
£2.506/€2.809/\$3.215 per hour
£0.1175/€0.1318/\$0.2427 per km/mi
£1.343/€1.506/\$1.723 per RT commute

12-10-18, 05:23 AM
#1243
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episode 452
5160km/3206mi/242.1h
£605.76/€679.05/\$777.27 total
£2.502/€2.805/\$3.211 per hour
£0.1174/€0.1315/\$0.2424 per km/mi
£1.340/€1.502/\$1.719 per RT commute

12-11-18, 04:49 AM
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episode 453
5164km/3208mi/242.66h
£605.76/€679.05/\$777.27 total
£2.496/€2.798/\$3.203 per hour
£0.1173/€0.1315/\$0.2423 per km/mi
£1.337/€1.499/\$1.716 per RT commute

12-13-18, 02:44 AM
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episode 455
5175km/3215mi/243.25h
£605.76/€679.05/\$777.27 total
£2.489/€2.792/\$3.195 per hour
£0.1171/€0.1312/\$0.2418 per km/mi
£1.331/€1.492/\$1.708 per RT commute

12-14-18, 02:29 AM
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episode 456
5180km/3218mi/243.5h
£605.76/€679.05/\$777.27 total
£2.488/€2.789/\$3.192 per hour
£0.1169/€0.1311/\$0.2415 per km/mi
£1.328/€1.489/\$1.705 per RT commute

12-15-18, 01:44 AM
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Just a couple of the update kitchen as I clean the out the SSD on the rMBP this morning as I'm desperate for space. Trying to decide on lighting for the kitchen.

12-15-18, 02:38 AM
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more for temp of the lights. for the kitchn components ... we replaced the floor joists per building regs (spans) and with 18mm hardwoord ply, then with isolation and 20mm solid hardwood with 8mm wood on top of 12mm ply. All glued together and sealed. Boxes are standard IKEA veneered MDF with recycled PET bottles for doors. Work surface is exposed/sealed 18mm ply and furniture grade linoleum at the work surface. All plumbing, wiring replaced and a new sand/cement layer on all inside walls with a skim coat of finishing plaster on the ceiling. handmade unique crackled tiles employed.

also removed brick along the exterior walls and cleaned out about 1m high of mud from the interior cavity wall that was collapsing.

should be good for a while. very strong and stable.

a couple of other photos:

01-08-19, 06:48 AM
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episode 460
5201km/3231mi/244.75h
£605.76/€679.05/\$777.27 total
£2.475/€2.774/\$3.176 per hour
£0.1164/€0.1306/\$0.2405 per km/mi
£1.317/€1.476/\$1.690 per RT commute

01-11-19, 12:30 PM
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episode 463
5221km/3244mi/245.75h
£605.76/€679.05/\$777.27 total
£2.465/€2.763/\$3.163 per hour
£0.1160/€0.1301/\$0.2396 per km/mi
£1.308/€1.467/\$1.678 per RT commute