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Old 12-05-17, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
What about my take on French horns?
That’s probably what killed his interest.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
That's not why we have rules. You can make assumptions on people based on how they follow the rules, but that's not why the rules exist.
I disagree. It's like Victorian silverware. Most of the rules of usage, grammar and spelling, are made up cultural rules. Victorians learned how to use 12 different kind of forks, not because they were more effective at getting people fed but in large part because knowing all the forks was a status symbol.

People learn "standard" rules of grammar and spelling in kind of the same way. Sometimes it helps, communication is clearer and you spend less time thinking about how you should write or say something, you can do it automatically.

But thinking "You all should really visit sometime" is definitively absolutely more correct than "Y'all should really visit sometime" because that's what the rules of modern usage dictate is incorrect IMO. They both serve the primary purpose of language, which is communication. Just like a regular fork is every bit as effective when trying to eat lobster as a lobster fork is. It might have been sacrilege in certain circles in 1895 to eat lobster with a regular fork but nowadays we manage just fine doing it. Customs evolve over time too.

I'm not saying people should be slovenly with language by any means, it's easier if there's some modicum of consistency in the way people approach it in any given era. But nor do we need to be rigidly Victorian in our usage because the truth is some of the rules we cherish right now are going to be long forgotten a hundred years from now anyway.
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Originally Posted by gnome
tch, tch, you are letting the team down. You do realise this is an eating club with a cycling habit.
Indeed
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
Shrug. I disagree. Also, laziness and ignorance in grammar usually correlate with laziness and ignorance in other aspects of life. My coworkers who capitalize and punctuate in IM chats are also the ones who do the best work. I know this is an unpopular position these days but I really, truly, do not care.
So you're noticing my frequent lack of periods?
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Originally Posted by gnome
tch, tch, you are letting the team down. You do realise this is an eating club with a cycling habit.
Team doesn’t care. More for us. We’re coming over.
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Updates:

1. The fire is 5% contained, up to 5000 acres. Evacuation orders have all been lifted. 47 downed trees in town.

2. The dog toys came. Huge hit. The meerkats, pandas, and mice were wrapped in plastic, so those will be the gifts for Phoenix's dog relatives. The bunnies and monkeys were unwrapped. Bunnies-in-a-carrot went to Doglet because she is tiny and monkeys-in-a-banana went to puppy because she acts like a monkey sometimes. Huge hit, I have SQUEAK SQUEAK SQUEAK in stereo in my living room right now. But they are already trying to steal each others toys. Doglet got the carrot stuck on her head once and I had to extricate her, she was going to run into something.

3. Mr H is having fun at the auto show.

4. Strange. No one wants to ride tomorrow at 5am in 50 degree temps with 25 mph winds. I might spend an hour on my bunny hop skills instead of a road ride.
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Oh yeah and this crazy pic. Six Flags was threatened today, I think it's out of danger now.

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Originally Posted by Heathpack
At what point do I legitimately have to eat all the ice cream in the freezer?
Have you eaten it all yet?
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Originally Posted by Heathpack
Power's back on. Which means I have no reason to eat all the ice cream now.

Right?
Do you really need a reason?
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
It’s an acquired taste.
Addiction has no taste.
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Originally Posted by rjones28
Addiction tastes everything they can get their hands on.
I agree.
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Much of what you're getting at, but didn't explicitly say, is the difference between informal spoken English and the rules for written English. That's key. Printing is the driving force behind standardization (rules). Before Gutenberg, language was all over the map. I assume people communicated well enough in their daily lives, but they didn't have rules.

As for your fork illustration, that gets more at style than rules. It's possible to eat a meal with one fork. And it's possible to write in a simple, but grammatically-correct, manner without a bunch of poetic flourishes. Think Strunk and White.


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I disagree. It's like Victorian silverware. Most of the rules of usage, grammar and spelling, are made up cultural rules. Victorians learned how to use 12 different kind of forks, not because they were more effective at getting people fed but in large part because knowing all the forks was a status symbol.

People learn "standard" rules of grammar and spelling in kind of the same way. Sometimes it helps, communication is clearer and you spend less time thinking about how you should write or say something, you can do it automatically.

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People here don't get it.
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Where's @badger1? We need to have a debate on linguistics.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
Nah. Justice.
Not a fan of the Chrysler and Mitsubishi joint venture?
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Originally Posted by rjones28
Not a fan of the Chrysler and Mitsubishi joint venture?
Truth be known, I had and loved the original Chrysler Sebring, built there. But there was a quality issue. The product wasn’t on the level of the Japanese big three. And I had driven that car to the park for a bike ride the day I had my heart attack. Funny what you remember.
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No matter where I go, here I am...
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Originally Posted by RecceDG


This is me.
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Originally Posted by Dan333SP
I also won $10 at a bike race one time 4 years ago. You could say I’m a pretty serious cyclist AND photographer.
Wow.
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Originally Posted by LAJ
Frigidaire.

Nothing fancy, it just gets it done.
Speed Queen top loader. Made in 'murica.
Not "efficient" but it will be my last washer.
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Originally Posted by gnome
You need a reason? Isn't that it is in your house reason enough?
I have had an unopened pint container of prickly pear sorbet in the freezer for about two weeks. It's a lovely shade of pink and so far I've been admiring that aspect. I suppose I should eat it at some point. I'm surprised LoP hasn't eaten it to prevent it from becoming old.
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Originally Posted by seedsbelize
So you're noticing my frequent lack of periods?
Don't worry. Menopause is a natural part of aging. Or so they say.
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Originally Posted by RecceDG
Black was faster.

I could never drive anything that slow or that non-red.

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Don't worry. Menopause is a natural part of aging. Or so they say.
I still get cranky at least once a month.
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Wait til you idiots hear me play the piano. Oh yes.

Soon Pcad will be tinkling the ivories. That should add to your collective fred chagrin.
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Originally Posted by patentcad
I could never drive anything that slow or that non-red.
The race car would do 0-60 in 3.2 and pull 1.7 lateral G (instant - 1.3 sustained) and do an 11 second quarter mile. It'd drope the hamer on your 'Vette.

Although I have to admit that the Corvette is a performance bargain. It's the cheapest way to go stupid fast.

I have this apart in my shop right now:

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Daughter 2 wants a vintage SLR 35mm film camera.

She is looking at Canon AE-1 vs the AE-1 Program. Plenty of them on Amazon for under $200.

Comments? My guess is she should get the Program.
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