I'm not a herbivore myself so can't help, but you might get something from the Training & Nutrition sub forum too. (Apart from the floods of suspect advice from various wackos of course.....)

Odin...what's semi-retired vego mean? Too old to be bothered not eating flesh anymore? I suppose once they mash your food it's all the same hey?

If it was up to me id have one tomorrow! unfortunatley with the introduction of SWMBO things are now more complex.

my only hope is to convince her that seeing s i dropped 3 grand on a ring for her, the least she can do for me is buy me another bike!

off topic, but can you get shimano disk brakes (deores) for MTB's? can these be purchased without siad bike attached? PM me if you want

Vego was never a conscious choice, I've just never liked meat as long as I can remember - lately, the missus has had me eating the odd bolognese and I've eaten a few snags orf the barbie - so I reckon I'm sort of semi-retired
It's not something I want to make a regular habbit out of cos I usually feel like schitt afterwards.

Hrm, general vego tips eh?

Honest, it's not that hard. The hardest part is that being a meatatarian is 'trendy' these days, so going out for dinner can be a pain in the arse. Yum-Cha is a classic example. It's not a super big pain in the bum, but it can get on your nerves after a while.

Eating at home is easy. Best advice I can give is list some classic dishes that we eat waaaayyyy to often. There are real staples that are easy to make and have a good spread of goodies in there to keep you fishing fit -

1) Napoli pasta - We regularly go to the market and buy a whole box of tomatoes and slow roast them with herbs, garlic, olive oil etc. Very handy, coz you can stir them through pasta, have them on toast, and combine them with kidney beans or mixed beans to make a great mexican bean dish. More often than not, we top this pasta with good quality Parmesan and Kalimata olives.

2) Warwick's Cross Cultural Nachos - Using some of those tomatoes, fry them up with some kidney beans, chick peas, mixed beans or whatever. Mash them up with a mashed potatoe masher thing. Add these to the base of a oven dish, add cheese and organic corn chips on top and bake for 10 minutes. Top with Salsa, Guacomole, Sweet Chili Sauce and pickled japapenos. Yummayyy! This takes literally 15 minutes and impresses the heck out of everyone who has it, which is crazy coz it's about the simplest thing you can make.

3) Stir-Fry - I have about 4 different stir-fries that I do, that are either pure incarnations or bastardisations depending on what's in the cupboard. They're the same as their meatatarian counterparts except I add strips of firm tofu or tofu puffs instead of meat. Get the tofu from Asian grocers - the stuff in Coles or whatever is sh¡t and way overpriced. Tofu is a bit tricky but easy once you know all the types and how to treat them. Investing in a good Thai or Malay cookbook is a good start.

4) Dahl - This is really my partners' thing, but it's yum and always different depending on what she wacks in there. Basically it's onion and garlic fried off with Indian herbs, then a whole wad of peas, beans and lentils and veggies thrown in. Great with Cous-cous and Traditional Greek yoghurt.

5) Vegie Dogs and Vege-burgers - Always easy to have in the fridge and a good stand-by meal if you just couldn't be bothered cooking. Plus, the whole concept of a 'vegie hotdog' is hilarious. What's even funnier is that non-vegie people we know actually prefer then to the real thing.

That's about what we have 70% of the time. We also do great risotto, I've had heaps of fun making pasta and piadini from scratch....sky's the limit.

The core thing to remember especially if you grew up with mums bad cooking or are a crap cook yourself, is that in a meat based diet, it provides most of the flavour. If you're a veggie, herbs and spices provide the flavour. Soy products are not a meat substitute.

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This is what Im most worried about

I thought I would ask here, since I trust you guys. Lately Ive been noticing a lot bs on the web (don't know why). Dietry is not something I want to stuff up.

I guess Im trying to ask what do you vegos eat? What is the equivalent meat and three veg? - I don't know any vegos

EDIT: Damn thy you must have just got in before I posted. Thanks!
EDIT 2: Any reliable web resources that you have is great. Im just sick of reading **** on the web. ie blogs

you forgot the protein, b12, iron, zinc, and VitD supplements, or is that heavily processed stuff fortified? Maybe this is why you haven't got the motivation to grind down Beach Rd every night

https://www.divorcekit.com/vegetarians-lack.htm
https://www.beyondveg.com/

this stuff is even on veg and vegan websites

https://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm



You reckon I should sell my 180mm Dura-Ace cranks?

What are these? Something you get from woolies coles.

still living at home (im far too close to uni to make worthwile moving out atm) but I will cooking for myself if I go vego. And I am still learning to cook but Im getting better

So I take it soy = bad? (well soy milk is evil and I guess the soy part makes that milk evil) Are dietry substitutes ok? Or should I really try and find products that have protein in them. From what Ive heard supplements are bad, but I wasn't really paying attention.

I might head off to a 2nd book shop tomorrow and see what asian style cookbooks they have.

most supplements are fine.

The benefits of fermented and nonfermented soy have been mixed and muddled, and the consumption of soy by Asians has been somewhat distorted by the vegan movement in their effort to provide a meat substitute.

https://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/
https://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtsoy.html
https://www.mercola.com/2005/mar/23/soy.htm
https://observer.guardian.co.uk/foodm...2291%2C00.html

You're better off with protein powders.


also, one problem we all have is too much omega 6 fatty acids, relative to omega 3.
Soy oil is too high in omega 6: https://www.veganhealth.org/sh/ Scroll down to "omega".. Keep in mind, this link is on a vegan site, so it's hardly biased -- I could put some 'real' links on here, but they'd obviously be shouted down as anti-vegan.


By the way, I'm one of those old, loser, mature-age, deferred students with 2/3 of a nutrition degree
big deal!!! I spent most of the first 2 years trying to find what kemistree was

I've heard you can survive on dates and beer

soy depends on who you ask. in all honesty i felt great when i was on soy milk, really strong. I went on it originally as i have sa slight alergy to cows milk - i.e it gives me sinus.

Its your decision to make on soy, some swear by it some hate it. My mother, whos deeply into all this as well's argument is that yes, soy may be not the best, but people consume a lot of things that are probably not up to scratch long term either. Especially somthing like aspartame which is found in most diet drinks.

the main spin on soy seems to be that un fermented soy = bad. this includes tofu, soy milk etc. fermented soy is tempeh i think? you would have to check. read the facts and make a decision that you feel comfortable with.

Do some research and make up your own mind, but be warned its one area that really polarises people. I still consume a little, by virtue of a sustagen that i have for morning tea. Apparantly the risks are higher for females.

As for meat substitues, run, as far away asyou can from Sanitarium chicken schnitzel substitues. thats one nasty meal. cosistency and taste wise.

there are osme great things that you can get just in the local supermarket. in the cold food section near the cheese you will find a lot of patties and things like that. theres some fresh looking one there that are great. cant remember the brand tho.

Thylos tips are great, ill take some of them on myself

like sustagen? (i think that is how its spelt) Or weight gain 4000? I can handle them Practically every milk drink I have is milo so something like that would be great for me instead of soy.

EDIT: instead of making heaps of posts Ive got a few questions:
1) What is the soy argument. it seems complicated, but atm Im keeping away.
2) B12 never heard of this vitamin. Im guessing its found in meat so what is it found in for vegos? Ok just googled it. It says it is found in eggs and milk, this right? If it is im fine

i belive this to be true for half the soy argument. the iother half apparantly lies in its origins as a source of stock feed. according to folklore, after a while animals became sterile, most of this was apparntly pointed at soy and somthing to do with phyto eastrgones ( dont ask me im a network nerd!) As a result it was apparantly targeted at vegetarians as a meat substitue.

I've never bothered to look online for info, Kotter. Occasionally I have a look at some crap Nev has posted, but that's only really just to have a bit of a chuckle. I also never take suppliments. If you eat well, you don't have to.

Some of the beyondveg articles are cool. I'm reading one about evolutionary diets and how people compare our diets to what Chimps eat and think we should eat the same....more often which ignores just how many insects Chimps eat!

I can see the ad campaigns now for Kruchy Kockroach!

As for the soy thing, I don't have as much as I used to. Maybe 50g every second or third day? I have no idea. I have organic soy milk on my home-mix muesli every morning, and maybe some bits in stir-fries - that's about it. Tempeh is delish, especially on toast with some pan fried mushrooms and drizzled with Kecap Manis (Indonesian sweet soy sauce).
I've heard about the pseudo-estrogens sh¡t, but they attribute that to certain plasics leaching into the water system too. Do I care? Nope. Eat well, don't be scared of fat, and if you're not cycling your guts out, don't eat too many carbs or you'll become a fatty boombah.

That's about the extent of my philosophy.

Some of you might be interested in some relevant literature by a bloke called Ross Horne - a Qantas pilot that stirred up a bit of a hornet's nest.
Lots of dietary stuff in there, probably a bit like what Joe Friel's on about with his Paleo stuff.
There's online copies of his books but I've never been able to sit in front of the pooter fer that long without wanting to shove pencils in my eyes.

The Health Revolution

Health and Survival in the 21st Century

Interesting stuff...

Geez. The last 2 pages of the crap this lot are posting's enough to drive one to do some werk.

I'm eating a T-Bone for tea.

[Edit] I should mention, for good Friday, I made meself a pickled capsicum, fresh tomato, herbed fetta (does this along with the motz preclude it being vego?), and shallot pizza. Home made tomato sauce from matoes out of the garden and base of course. Was the nicest pizza I've had in my life, and much to my surprise I didn't miss it not having any meat product on it for a second.

Maybe I've got a crazy hippy in me trying to get out.

Geez, nothing like the 'vego' word to get discussion going. I'm happy to eat whatever is on the menu that takes my fancy - sometimes sans dead animal, other times with.

Nice work on the receeps too, Tiger. Might have to try a couple. I find nachos and dahl go well with beer. mmmbeer mmmmnachos

yeah thanks guys. Decided I will give vego a go. Probably start on the weekend. Just got to get a little organised and do some more reading. But you guys have put me on the right path.

Pumpkin is a good vegy!
Pummy Risotto
Pummy curry
Roasted Pummy
Pummy soup

Did I miss why you are becoming a vegy? Havnt you seen Sam Neils ads?
FWIW, my brother is a vegy, but all he eats is copy meat products - vegy bacon, sausages etc. weird!

Once got caught in an argument with the chef at our canteen in Belgium.
I got the last steak and was laughing at my mate who got stuck with salad...

I wasnt laughing when I couldnt convince the crazy muppet-esque chef to cook it at least medium and he handed me the bloody (i.e. still beating) portion of meat

I did exactly the same thing, Kotter. After I graduated Uni, I decided to move out of home and become veggie. My Mum bought me a New Internationalist cookbook with recipes from all over the world which had great recipes that I had a lot of fun cooking, including a weird sweet potato and orange dessert from Malawi which I won't forget in a hurry!

You just have to think a bit different and do everything in moderation. Society is designed for you to act and eat in a certain way, and the more you deviate from that the more difficult things can be. The biggest barrier to changing lifestyle is society, so if you love food and enjoy experimenting with cooking, you'll have no probs.

Geez, there's some heavy stuff out there. I'm reading some articles from https://www.soilandhealth.org/index.html at the moment.

Remind me to buy an LCD sometime soon *squint*

good deal on LCD Dell 24" widescreen if you want it.

like thisNew Int. Vego cook book

+1
While I was home, my folks made me eat their way (bloody Germans) As soon as I left, I did things my way and pretty much never touched meat until the last 6 months or so. (20 years of vego)

Not to me it doesn't - I ain't no vegan - I love dairy mmmcheese!
It's just meat/fish that I don't like.

hey guys, koffee got ripped off today. better get over there https://www.bikeforums.net/general-cycling-discussion/188991-washington-dc-campy-rear-wheel-stolen.html and give her a hug.

Okayyy.....I'm starting to really get paranoid now. I'm afraid that if I keep reading, I'll start agreeing that AIDS is not a virus, that the medical system is actually designed to kill us, and all manner of other heresy.

Bah, who am I kidding. I kinda knew this already.

That NI cookbook looks similar to the one I have. The one I've got has nutritional stuff in the front which is useful.

On the monitor front, I'm a Mac guy, so there's no way in hell I'd be caught buying anything with 'Dell' on it. This on the other hand? Yes please > https://www.apple.com/au/displays/