Umm, had roast chook about 3 months ago - it had goose pimples (could have been cold I guess, our fridge - glass fronted commercial job - keeps food at 2 deg C)

Better question, when was the last time anyone found giblets inside their chooks?

Depends on whether you're talking fast food chicken (crep) or unsynthesised real birds flesh cooked at home. mmmmm home grown, home cooked roast chicken. Na I'd rather have a spinach/soy thick shake.

Sustagen is more of a carbohydrate drink. There's heaps of animal-free protein powders at the supermarket. Most are whey (wheat) based.

many moons ago, the vegans and vegos tried to proove that we're not meant to eat any animal products, even to the point where they tried to suggest that we don't really need protein. When they realized they were dead wrong, stupid and amazingly ignorant, they came up with soy as a "good" source of plant protein. Soy seemed to have cred, because 'apparently' the Asians ate tonnes of it, and they all seemed to live to 120!! We've since found out that Asians don't eat that much soy at all, and the soy they do eat is fermented for years, but the hippy crap we get sold is non-fermented, processed goo! Some vegan groups recommend these soy products as a staple, and a protein substitute. The soy industry is now massive, so there's no stopping it. Not only is soy not necessary, it may be unhealthy:

https://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/
https://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtsoy.html
https://www.mercola.com/2005/mar/23/soy.htm
https://observer.guardian.co.uk/foodm...2291%2C00.html



It's actually a little frightening that you haven't heard of b12, especially if if you're thinking of being a vegetarian.

The origins of the b12 vegan 'story' is similar to the soy fabel. When the hippies were trying to proove that we didn't need any animal products, they encountered one HUGE hurdle: vitamin b12. This vitamin (the word "vitamins" comes from "vital") only naturally occurs in animal products or plants that are contaminated with animal poo or animal poo bacteria (this is why third world veg countries such as India tend to be free of b12 deficiencies: their food is contaminated with cow dung). (These days it's obviously also found in pills and fortified, processed foods). So, the vegs had one "vital" vitamin they couldn't get from plants -- this hurt their "we don't need to eat animals" fallacy, and the only rubbish they could come up with was to pretend that we just didn't need it

Since those heady, fun-filled days, the hippies realized that they were, again, dead wrong, stupid and amazingly ignorant, and have acknowledged that we do need vitB12. So, rather than pretend that we're not meant to eat animal prodcuts, they now conveniently tell us the their philosphy was, all along, only about ethics, not science and ethics, therefore, their disciples are now allowed to get b12 from supplements and fortified foods.

As I said above, the need for b12 and protein has since been SO acknowledged by vegans, that the info is available on zillions of vegan and vegy websites

I wouldn't worry too much about your b12, Gabe Kaplan; you're most likely getting some from somewhere, and we don't need that much. The prolem is with the extremists, such as very strict vegans, vegos and raw foodists.


by Neville Martin, silly, underachieved, deferred, BASC Nutrition undergrad

Another reason to hate hippies.

Yum - not the shake, the home grown chook

Other dead animal products that taste good are the Venison burgers they sell at the Burnie wheelrace, wild duck (greasy and yummy!), steak sandwiches (especially after a night on the piss), Emu pies, Emu pate, Water Buffalo steaks and roast rack of lamb.

It's un-Australian not to eat meat.

You guys and your Vego cr*p.

A healthy diet including meat is not so difficult. Instead of having a meal with 60% meat and 40% vegies, you just cook meals with organic lean meats and have 30% meat and 70% vegies. This gives you all the vitamins and minerals you require (assuming you have red/white meat and fish) and doesn't cost you much due to the smaller servings of meat.

BTW, the worst farter I ever smelled was a vego. SHE could clear a room in a few seconds at will.

Neither cows nor lamb eat meat. This allows me to maintain my strict vegetarian diet as well.

get a load o' this heavily referenced site authored by a 'published' dude
https://www.theomnivore.com/home.html

And he's an Aussie!!

This sedentary lifestyle is gonna be the end of me: +2kg in 5 days. might have to become... a vego

I was gunna mention marmite/vegemite as a B12 source, but chubby boy beat me to it.

I always laugh when people who eat fish and chicken call themselves vegetarians. I can't remember the last time I went out to my vege garden and pulled a fresh chicken or snapper out for dinner

Adequate protein intake is a real problem for vegos and particularly for vegans. You can get some from dairy and a reasonable amount from eggs, but you really have to get most of it from eating lentils or other plants containing protein - anyone for brussel sprouts? Active people who can benefit from a bit more protein can struggle to get enough from those sources.

I have a mate who became vegetarian back in the 80s when he became a devotee of Sathya Sai (a fuzzy haired Indian guru) but had to fall off the wagon a few years ago when he was mid-way through a season of an amateur opera production he was in because he was running out of gas working and singing every day.

and in some cycling news...

Stage 1 - April 19: Winsen/Luhe - Nienburg, 171.9 km
Results
1 Alessandro Petacchi (Ita) Team Milram 4.16.39
2 Danilo Hondo (Ger) Team Lamonta
3 Graeme Brown (Aus) Rabobank

anyway, you Viccos should be down at Bells Beach today for the finals action, perfect 6 footers rolling in.

You're a cruel bastid climbo.

Ah yes! The old insoluble fibre - gut bacteria can't break it down so you get incomplete digestion and gas production.

A question for you racing types ...... is loading up with beans before a race then using the resulting gaseous byproduct as a repellent against your opponents a valid technique for winning?

Isn't there meant to be some cycling on SBS this weekend? Paris-Roubaix highlights or something?

Yeah **** happens. If it is in the vegemite Im stocked up until im 55

About the chicken. Im talking takeaway and roast. Dad was in a position that he had to visit the large chicken farms. What we call free range is not what the they call "free range" If your getting your chicken from some wacko lot, I guess it probably is free range. Don't trust the companies on that one.

Yup, it is important to be aware of the source of your food and its production methods if you want eat smart. We have a lot of chicken farms up here, growing under contract to Inghams.

I reckon your first step in the healthy eating stakes would be to cut out the take-aways, you will do your body a truckload of good. Then get into cooking because that's the easiest way to control the quality and quantity of what goes in your mouth.

Taught my 14 yo nephew to make a good bolognaise sauce last month - he was fascinated by the fact that I pulled a chunk of meat out of the fridge and minced it myself, gave me the perfect chance to explain about quality of ingredients, freshness, etc, etc.

And no, Kotter, I am not volunteering to teach you to cook.

yep in the eastern states Sunday SBS 11-12. So its only one hour

I wish.... If only I didn't have this stupid thing called a job!

But you can see live action here https://64.78.18.131/live/bells06/live.asp

The best part about this line of discussion is that it gives me a fairly good indication of who voted Howard.

Nev, I think you're confusing Vegan and Vegetarian. There's plenty of B12 in Vegemite, Eggs, Cheese, Yoghurt - all dairy products. There's also unreliable traces in things such as seaweed (nori), Spirulina and Barley. In the protein front, no problems there either - plenty in grains, seeds, nuts, legumes and dairy. The mouthful of mud I get from mountainbiking and the insects between the teeth probably help too.

Nobody is saying you can just take meat out of your diet and be fine, but really, it's not that difficult. Sure, some idiots go on extreme weird diets and find themselves in trouble, but they're just that. Idiots. There's also plenty of idiots on the other side of the fence slowly killing themselves and their colons with a diet that consists mostly of saturated fats and processed foods, too.

I've never been an extremist and I always advocate moderation. I don't have any problem with people eating meat, but I'm not prepared to kill amimals myself, and I'm fully aware of the impact the Western Diet is having on the rest of the world, it's peoples and the ecology. That's where my decision-making comes from.

Matagi, I think you're hilarous. Improve biodiversity by eating them! Brilliant! Maybe we should petition the government about the Eastern Quoll or Orange-Bellied Parrot?

hey Jock, I got a thousand back issues of procycling and ride mag if you are bored?
Hope your dodgy pinky isnt hindering any other time filling activities

Slater looks very good as usual.... plenty of Aussies through to semis if Occy can beat Andy.

HEY who said I can't cook

Nah Ive really cut down on the take away. In reality any take away is bad news. Vegetarism has always interested/fascinated me I just want to give it a spin and see how it goes. Plus its really green for the environment.

I say, eat sensibly in moderation and dont stress about it.
You'll probably get hit by a bus or someone will nick your wheel anyway

Occy has got a couple of nice scoring waves so far giving him a good lead. There is some serious swell today.