I was passing a guy tonight who was obviously commuting, being decked out with all the big chunky lights, backpack, strap-on mudguard, etc; so, as I ride up behind him, I think i can see "Scapin" on his seat-stays. I think to myself: "surely not". Sure enough, the guy uses a Scapin EOS7 as his commuter/all-rounder bike! Cost him $7000 with some sort of Campag.

A $7000 Scapin with mudguards??!! That's a first for me

No way. Silverchair wins this one easily. Has Johns ever sung a "right" note?


Hey has anyone here done the Mont 24hr? Is it worth doing?

way off topic ( not that were ever on topic) but does anyone knowif sustagen contains trans fat? after a big heart attack in the family last week im trying to cut all the bad fat out of my diet, and sustagen is the only thing i can think of that i have on a consistent basis that may have trans fat.

Unless you drink 2 ltrs a day, somehow I think you'll be okay

I did the Melbourne 12hr last year. Sure, enduros are more fun than 'normal' racing, but unless you have a big crowd and something to entertain you while you're there, they're pretty boring. It's kinda like camping but with all the best bits taken out.

Isn't the riding the entertainment?

HD, I work 2 mins up the road from you and drive every day as there are no trains and the bus from Chatswood is a lottery, can take between 45m-1.5hours depending when you leave.
I usually get in really early or really late and almost always leave early then log on from home. If you aint that flexibile it will be a pain. I'm gonna start communting by bike 1-2 days to get some training done.

It aint too bad, you do get used to it, whats the alternative, live in the burbs and catch a bus or drive an hour anyway?

And now you have a training partner. Cleared to ride again, and seeing as how my winter season has been obliterated I'll be building up the miles for two races: the Grafton-Inverell and the State Titles.

You riding from Gosford to work via the old hwy, or are you gonna pike it and catch the train?

He must have a reputation. On one of their lbums there's a line that reads "No pitch altering software used in the production of this album"

but yet they still record to pro tools ......

Some Sidi bargains here fellas if you have midget feet (40,41)

https://www.torpedo7.com/page/austral...etter&banner=1

Saccy, if you're doing a 24hr race with 3 other idiots, you're only riding one hour every 4, so you have to do something to entertain yourself. I'd probably bring a couch and some dvds - seriously. It's more relaxing than attempting to socialise with a bunch of cliquey socially ******** mountain bikers.

If you guys think Johns is off key, you must have pretty high standards. Obviously you haven't watched much Idol! (or listened to my MP3 collection)

Pshaw, bout that ride we were going to hook up, im keen for some MTB action in lane cove if your interested. may be better to wait till daylight savings to get a good run at it though?

blacksac - the Mont is apparantly good, but its a hella loooonnngggg course and gets longer every year. add to that the fact that its normally freezing cold and more often than not rains. go to www.pixelpics.com.au and get a look at some pics from last year. friend of mine was doing maint for the cannondale team and he said it was just abysmal. also have to be on the lookout for bike theives, a few bikes went missing last year. most arent the sort of bikes that you would consider high profile stealability either( like really, who steals an NRS??) which points to non bikers. other than all that im sure its a great race www.26inches.com IIRC has a multi page thread on the last years event.

general consensus seems to point to the WSMTB 24 hour at dargle as being a better bang for your buck race ( as long as you can handle listening to stu plant crap on for that long...

Yep, ride the old road to work, let me know when you are keen?

HD, yep keen for a MTB in lane cove. Lunch or after work?

after work is probably best for moi, hence the daylight savings option.

The road leg of last weekend's multisport event:

How the elite boys like Camie do it, he stepped off his bike, handed the bib over and puked in the gutter, 24km < 37min



then there's munters like me, 44 min



and my mate Toes, 47 min, we went to the pub afterwards then rode home

What aint ya got lights?


Thanks for the tip Tiger, I need new shoes and just picked up some Sidi MTB's for my size 41's.

Bummer is I nipped down to local LBS to check on sizes of Sidi and missed out on the Energy road shoes

So what's your point? You've gotta record to something. It's pointless trying to set up a studio with an analogue recorder these days: no-one sells the bloody tape anymore!!! Unless you're recording to a (*cough*cough*retch*) video tape recorder!

I record to cubase VST. Does that make me an anarchist? Nope, it makes me just another one of those bedroom muso wannabe's.

nope have one vision stick 10 watter but its rather useless. unfortunatley i dont have the grand needed to get a HID job either...

RHCP recorded direct to tape for the latest album, always have. You am i also record direct to tape as well. im sure there not the only ones, just the ones i know of. pro tools is popular cause it allows you to take out any "belmishes" read: mistakes, laziness, lack of talent. IMHO music should be there warts and all. no 1 hate is live album that have been touched up. im looking at you Kiss, Guns N Roses etc. is it live, or is it simulated live?

mmmm tape. i have a 4 track reel to reel so yes i can lament at the lack of availibility of tape, but it is out there.

I two pair of brand new SIDI size 41 lace ups, one set in black and one set in grey. You can hire the black ones off me (permanently) for $30, or the greys for $20. Very old-school, ultra cool.

meh, i used to ride in the grim glasgow night with nothing more than a birthday candle

This whole must have HID thing is out of control, dont get me wrong I would love a set but at a grand a pop forget it. I use the vision sticks as well, they are way better than the crappy old thing I used to use back home. I reckon it's cheating anyway, if you are night riding shouldnt it at least be semi-dark, using HID is like having the sun at your back!.

Get yer finger out HD....

Sadly it hasn't improved the musicianship of either

might need to take a look and turn them into my track shoes

I don't care about how an album is made. Good music is good music. Who cares if it's recorded straight to tape or created entirely digitally? What about samples and electronica? You can hardly do those 'live'.

Now, if you're talking about straight out rock, that's fair enough, but a lot of the music I like is a mix of live recording, samples, electronica....heaps of crap going on that you can't do entirely live.

On the other hand, any band that enlists the help of an orchestra should be lynched.

On the topic or lights, Royale had a link for some affordable HIDs. I'll ask him to chime in and tell yas all about it.

touche! and this from the same person who once owned a phil collins signiture guitar

i guess thats what makes musc great is that its very iduvidual. when i was playing in bands i always wanted it to tape, not disk. why? god knows, but i felt the end result was real, not studio wizardry. friends of mine are now professional composers and almost exlcusivley use digital, very impressive stuidos to look at but i dunno, theres just somthing so rock n roll about tape!

PSHAW - yer im soft. ill need to get another light as i only have one, but if your telling me that a nightstick is ok im sure i can risk it!

I use a 20W Halogen atm and i thought it was great until i went to a race and seen what HID is like. Sun on your back.. Yes, I have to agree. I passed guys with HID during races and I can't even see the beam of my 20W. And their HID's are only 10-12W.

I'm going to upgrade pretty soon. A mate is getting a set of aussie made ones for AU$400. If there good I'll probably shell out for the same.

Aussie Made
https://www.hidtechnologies.com.au/

Check out the link on the first page to the light comparison page. Those photos are a pretty good and real guide of the lights they are testing.

Another place which is slightly cheaper is
https://www.batteryspace.com/index.as...OD&ProdID=1398

Trail-Tech lights on this site are pretty cheap. If you actually check the trail-tech site they are twice the price.